I have a function that calls srand and rand like this:
void foo() {
int seed = some_operation();
std::srand(seed);
int value = std::rand();
// Do something with random value
}
However, I don't want to change the global state of rand. Whats the easiest way to get a random number then?
Requirements:
random number must be deterministic based on seed
C++11 is fine
foo should be thread safe
the global state of rand should not be modified
Edit:
There is a stackoverflow question asking how to generate random numbers. The accepted answer however shows how to generate truly unique random numbers, using a slow std::random_device. I just needed a simple generator using a fixed seed instead.
C++11 is fine
Then use the new pseudorandom number library:
#include <random>
int foo() {
int seed = some_operation();
std::minstd_rand rand(seed);
int value = rand();
// Do something with random value
}
minstd_rand is a simple linear congruential engine, similar to that typically used by std::rand(), but with its state encapsulated in a class. Other engines are available, if you need a higher quality pseudorandom sequence. The Mersenne Twister, std::mt19937, is usually a good choice if you don't have specific requirements.
<random> defines a number of PRNG classes that you can use, which do not use global states.
For example, using a default Mersenne Twister, std::mt19937:
#include <iostream>
#include <random>
int main() {
int seed = 1234;
std::mt19937 rng(seed);
std::cout << "Random number: " << rng() << std::endl;
}
One approach is to provide your own implementation, with its own seed data. A template for doing that is provided in the manpage for rand().
static unsigned long next = 1;
/* RAND_MAX assumed to be 32767 */
int myrand(void) {
next = next * 1103515245 + 12345;
return((unsigned)(next/65536) % 32768);
}
void mysrand(unsigned seed) {
next = seed;
}
Related
I'm trying to generate a random number using rand() command, but each time i get very similar numbers.
This is my code:
#include <iostream>
#include <time.h>
using namespace std;
int main()
{
srand(time(0));
cout << rand();
return 0;
}
I ran it 5 times and the numbers i got are:
21767
21806
21836
21862
21888
How can i make the numbers be more different?
From the documentation of rand:
There are no guarantees as to the quality of the random sequence produced. In the past, some implementations of rand() have had serious shortcomings in the randomness, distribution and period of the sequence produced (in one well-known example, the low-order bit simply alternated between 1 and 0 between calls).
rand() is not recommended for serious random-number generation needs. It is recommended to use C++11's random number generation facilities to replace rand().
It (and I) recommend to use the newer c++11 random number generators in <random>.
In your specific case it seems you want a std::uniform_int_distribution. An example, as given on the linked page is:
std::random_device rd; //Will be used to obtain a seed for the random number engine
std::mt19937 gen(rd()); //Standard mersenne_twister_engine seeded with rd()
std::uniform_int_distribution<> distrib(1, RAND_MAX);
std::cout << distrib(gen) << '\n';
I know how rand() and srand() are related to each other, and I know how should I use them, but their mechanism of working was really interesting for me and I wanted to know How they really work?!, but I couldn't find any special thing.
So this is my question: What is going on in deep inside of rand() and srand() and how does it produce a random number? (If it's really producing a random one!) Does it have any special mathematics calculation or any special algorithm? what is it?
First of all, rand() does not produce random numbers. It is a Pseudo Random Number Generator.
rand() is typically implemented as linear congruential generator.
You can think that there is a variable seed, which holds previous state of generator, then rand() just uses this seed to generate next number in a sequence.
Something like this (very rough implementation, just to explain the idea):
const int RAND_MAX = 32767; // usually it is 2^15, but actually implementation specific
const int a = ...; // implementation specific
const int c = ...; // implementation specific
int seed = 0; // current generator state
void srand(int _seed) {
seed = _seed;
}
int rand() {
int r = (a * seed + c) % RAND_MAX;
seed = r;
return r;
}
It will create the same sequence for the same initial state (seed value).
This is the first time I'm trying random numbers with C (I miss C#). Here is my code:
int i, j = 0;
for(i = 0; i <= 10; i++) {
j = rand();
printf("j = %d\n", j);
}
with this code, I get the same sequence every time I run the code. But it generates different random sequences if I add srand(/*somevalue/*) before the for loop. Can anyone explain why?
You have to seed it. Seeding it with the time is a good idea:
srand()
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <time.h>
int main ()
{
srand ( time(NULL) );
printf ("Random Number: %d\n", rand() %100);
return 0;
}
You get the same sequence because rand() is automatically seeded with the a value of 1 if you do not call srand().
Edit
Due to comments
rand() will return a number between 0 and RAND_MAX (defined in the standard library). Using the modulo operator (%) gives the remainder of the division rand() / 100. This will force the random number to be within the range 0-99. For example, to get a random number in the range of 0-999 we would apply rand() % 1000.
rand() returns pseudo-random numbers. It generates numbers based on a given algorithm.
The starting point of that algorithm is always the same, so you'll see the same sequence generated for each invocation. This is handy when you need to verify the behavior and consistency of your program.
You can set the "seed" of the random generator with the srand function(only call srand once in a program) One common way to get different sequences from the rand() generator is to set the seed to the current time or the id of the process:
srand(time(NULL)); or srand(getpid()); at the start of the program.
Generating real randomness is very very hard for a computer, but for practical non-crypto related work, an algorithm that tries to evenly distribute the generated sequences works fine.
To quote from man rand :
The srand() function sets its argument
as the seed for a new sequence of
pseudo-random integers to be returned
by rand(). These sequences are
repeatable by calling srand() with the
same seed value.
If no seed value is provided, the
rand() function is automatically
seeded with a value of 1.
So, with no seed value, rand() assumes the seed as 1 (every time in your case) and with the same seed value, rand() will produce the same sequence of numbers.
There's a lot of answers here, but no-one seems to have really explained why it is that rand() always generates the same sequence given the same seed - or even what the seed is really doing. So here goes.
The rand() function maintains an internal state. Conceptually, you could think of this as a global variable of some type called rand_state. Each time you call rand(), it does two things. It uses the existing state to calculate a new state, and it uses the new state to calculate a number to return to you:
state_t rand_state = INITIAL_STATE;
state_t calculate_next_state(state_t s);
int calculate_return_value(state_t s);
int rand(void)
{
rand_state = calculate_next_state(rand_state);
return calculate_return_value(rand_state);
}
Now you can see that each time you call rand(), it's going to make rand_state move one step along a pre-determined path. The random values you see are just based on where you are along that path, so they're going to follow a pre-determined sequence too.
Now here's where srand() comes in. It lets you jump to a different point on the path:
state_t generate_random_state(unsigned int seed);
void srand(unsigned int seed)
{
rand_state = generate_random_state(seed);
}
The exact details of state_t, calculate_next_state(), calculate_return_value() and generate_random_state() can vary from platform to platform, but they're usually quite simple.
You can see from this that every time your program starts, rand_state is going to start off at INITIAL_STATE (which is equivalent to generate_random_state(1)) - which is why you always get the same sequence if you don't use srand().
If I remember the quote from Knuth's seminal work "The Art of Computer Programming" at the beginning of the chapter on Random Number Generation, it goes like this:
"Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by mathematical means is, technically speaking, in a state of sin".
Simply put, the stock random number generators are algorithms, mathematical and 100% predictable. This is actually a good thing in a lot of situations, where a repeatable sequence of "random" numbers is desirable - for example for certain statistical exercises, where you don't want the "wobble" in results that truly random data introduces thanks to clustering effects.
Although grabbing bits of "random" data from the computer's hardware is a popular second alternative, it's not truly random either - although the more complex the operating environment, the more possibilities for randomness - or at least unpredictability.
Truly random data generators tend to look to outside sources. Radioactive decay is a favorite, as is the behavior of quasars. Anything whose roots are in quantum effects is effectively random - much to Einstein's annoyance.
Random number generators are not actually random, they like most software is completely predictable. What rand does is create a different pseudo-random number each time it is called One which appears to be random. In order to use it properly you need to give it a different starting point.
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <time.h>
int main ()
{
/* initialize random seed: */
srand ( time(NULL) );
printf("random number %d\n",rand());
printf("random number %d\n",rand());
printf("random number %d\n",rand());
printf("random number %d\n",rand());
return 0;
}
This is from http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/webmonkeys/book/c_guide/2.13.html#rand:
Declaration:
void srand(unsigned int seed);
This function seeds the random number generator used by the function rand. Seeding srand with the same seed will cause rand to return the same sequence of pseudo-random numbers. If srand is not called, rand acts as if srand(1) has been called.
rand() returns the next (pseudo) random number in a series. What's happening is you have the same series each time its run (default '1'). To seed a new series, you have to call srand() before you start calling rand().
If you want something random every time, you might try:
srand (time (0));
Rand does not get you a random number. It gives you the next number in a sequence generated by a pseudorandom number generator. To get a different sequence every time you start your program, you have to seed the algorithm by calling srand.
A (very bad) way to do it is by passing it the current time:
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <time.h>
int main() {
srand(time(NULL));
int i, j = 0;
for(i = 0; i <= 10; i++) {
j = rand();
printf("j = %d\n", j);
}
return 0;
}
Why this is a bad way? Because a pseudorandom number generator is as good as its seed, and the seed must be unpredictable. That is why you may need a better source of entropy, like reading from /dev/urandom.
call srand(sameSeed) before calling rand(). More details here.
Seeding the rand()
void srand (unsigned int seed)
This function establishes seed as the seed for a new series of pseudo-random numbers. If you call rand before a seed has been established with srand, it uses the value 1 as a default seed.
To produce a different pseudo-random series each time your program is run, do srand (time (0))
None of you guys are answering his question.
with this code i get the same sequance everytime the code but it generates random sequences if i add srand(/somevalue/) before the for loop . can someone explain why ?
From what my professor has told me, it is used if you want to make sure your code is running properly and to see if there is something wrong or if you can change something.
This is the first time I'm trying random numbers with C (I miss C#). Here is my code:
int i, j = 0;
for(i = 0; i <= 10; i++) {
j = rand();
printf("j = %d\n", j);
}
with this code, I get the same sequence every time I run the code. But it generates different random sequences if I add srand(/*somevalue/*) before the for loop. Can anyone explain why?
You have to seed it. Seeding it with the time is a good idea:
srand()
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <time.h>
int main ()
{
srand ( time(NULL) );
printf ("Random Number: %d\n", rand() %100);
return 0;
}
You get the same sequence because rand() is automatically seeded with the a value of 1 if you do not call srand().
Edit
Due to comments
rand() will return a number between 0 and RAND_MAX (defined in the standard library). Using the modulo operator (%) gives the remainder of the division rand() / 100. This will force the random number to be within the range 0-99. For example, to get a random number in the range of 0-999 we would apply rand() % 1000.
rand() returns pseudo-random numbers. It generates numbers based on a given algorithm.
The starting point of that algorithm is always the same, so you'll see the same sequence generated for each invocation. This is handy when you need to verify the behavior and consistency of your program.
You can set the "seed" of the random generator with the srand function(only call srand once in a program) One common way to get different sequences from the rand() generator is to set the seed to the current time or the id of the process:
srand(time(NULL)); or srand(getpid()); at the start of the program.
Generating real randomness is very very hard for a computer, but for practical non-crypto related work, an algorithm that tries to evenly distribute the generated sequences works fine.
To quote from man rand :
The srand() function sets its argument
as the seed for a new sequence of
pseudo-random integers to be returned
by rand(). These sequences are
repeatable by calling srand() with the
same seed value.
If no seed value is provided, the
rand() function is automatically
seeded with a value of 1.
So, with no seed value, rand() assumes the seed as 1 (every time in your case) and with the same seed value, rand() will produce the same sequence of numbers.
There's a lot of answers here, but no-one seems to have really explained why it is that rand() always generates the same sequence given the same seed - or even what the seed is really doing. So here goes.
The rand() function maintains an internal state. Conceptually, you could think of this as a global variable of some type called rand_state. Each time you call rand(), it does two things. It uses the existing state to calculate a new state, and it uses the new state to calculate a number to return to you:
state_t rand_state = INITIAL_STATE;
state_t calculate_next_state(state_t s);
int calculate_return_value(state_t s);
int rand(void)
{
rand_state = calculate_next_state(rand_state);
return calculate_return_value(rand_state);
}
Now you can see that each time you call rand(), it's going to make rand_state move one step along a pre-determined path. The random values you see are just based on where you are along that path, so they're going to follow a pre-determined sequence too.
Now here's where srand() comes in. It lets you jump to a different point on the path:
state_t generate_random_state(unsigned int seed);
void srand(unsigned int seed)
{
rand_state = generate_random_state(seed);
}
The exact details of state_t, calculate_next_state(), calculate_return_value() and generate_random_state() can vary from platform to platform, but they're usually quite simple.
You can see from this that every time your program starts, rand_state is going to start off at INITIAL_STATE (which is equivalent to generate_random_state(1)) - which is why you always get the same sequence if you don't use srand().
If I remember the quote from Knuth's seminal work "The Art of Computer Programming" at the beginning of the chapter on Random Number Generation, it goes like this:
"Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by mathematical means is, technically speaking, in a state of sin".
Simply put, the stock random number generators are algorithms, mathematical and 100% predictable. This is actually a good thing in a lot of situations, where a repeatable sequence of "random" numbers is desirable - for example for certain statistical exercises, where you don't want the "wobble" in results that truly random data introduces thanks to clustering effects.
Although grabbing bits of "random" data from the computer's hardware is a popular second alternative, it's not truly random either - although the more complex the operating environment, the more possibilities for randomness - or at least unpredictability.
Truly random data generators tend to look to outside sources. Radioactive decay is a favorite, as is the behavior of quasars. Anything whose roots are in quantum effects is effectively random - much to Einstein's annoyance.
Random number generators are not actually random, they like most software is completely predictable. What rand does is create a different pseudo-random number each time it is called One which appears to be random. In order to use it properly you need to give it a different starting point.
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <time.h>
int main ()
{
/* initialize random seed: */
srand ( time(NULL) );
printf("random number %d\n",rand());
printf("random number %d\n",rand());
printf("random number %d\n",rand());
printf("random number %d\n",rand());
return 0;
}
This is from http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/webmonkeys/book/c_guide/2.13.html#rand:
Declaration:
void srand(unsigned int seed);
This function seeds the random number generator used by the function rand. Seeding srand with the same seed will cause rand to return the same sequence of pseudo-random numbers. If srand is not called, rand acts as if srand(1) has been called.
rand() returns the next (pseudo) random number in a series. What's happening is you have the same series each time its run (default '1'). To seed a new series, you have to call srand() before you start calling rand().
If you want something random every time, you might try:
srand (time (0));
Rand does not get you a random number. It gives you the next number in a sequence generated by a pseudorandom number generator. To get a different sequence every time you start your program, you have to seed the algorithm by calling srand.
A (very bad) way to do it is by passing it the current time:
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <time.h>
int main() {
srand(time(NULL));
int i, j = 0;
for(i = 0; i <= 10; i++) {
j = rand();
printf("j = %d\n", j);
}
return 0;
}
Why this is a bad way? Because a pseudorandom number generator is as good as its seed, and the seed must be unpredictable. That is why you may need a better source of entropy, like reading from /dev/urandom.
call srand(sameSeed) before calling rand(). More details here.
Seeding the rand()
void srand (unsigned int seed)
This function establishes seed as the seed for a new series of pseudo-random numbers. If you call rand before a seed has been established with srand, it uses the value 1 as a default seed.
To produce a different pseudo-random series each time your program is run, do srand (time (0))
None of you guys are answering his question.
with this code i get the same sequance everytime the code but it generates random sequences if i add srand(/somevalue/) before the for loop . can someone explain why ?
From what my professor has told me, it is used if you want to make sure your code is running properly and to see if there is something wrong or if you can change something.
C++11 introduced the header <random> with declarations for random number engines and random distributions. That's great - time to replace those uses of rand() which is often problematic in various ways. However, it seems far from obvious how to replace
srand(n);
// ...
int r = rand();
Based on the declarations it seems a uniform distribution can be built something like this:
std::default_random_engine engine;
engine.seed(n);
std::uniform_int_distribution<> distribution;
auto rand = [&](){ return distribution(engine); }
This approach seems rather involved and is surely something I won't remember unlike the use of srand() and rand(). I'm aware of N4531 but even that still seems to be quite involved.
Is there a reasonably simple way to replace srand() and rand()?
Is there a reasonably simple way to replace srand() and rand()?
Full disclosure: I don't like rand(). It's bad, and it's very easily abused.
The C++11 random library fills in a void that has been lacking for a long, long time. The problem with high quality random libraries is that they're oftentimes hard to use. The C++11 <random> library represents a huge step forward in this regard. A few lines of code and I have a very nice generator that behaves very nicely and that easily generates random variates from many different distributions.
Given the above, my answer to you is a bit heretical. If rand() is good enough for your needs, use it. As bad as rand() is (and it is bad), removing it would represent a huge break with the C language. Just make sure that the badness of rand() truly is good enough for your needs.
C++14 didn't deprecate rand(); it only deprecated functions in the C++ library that use rand(). While C++17 might deprecate rand(), it won't delete it. That means you have several more years before rand() disappears. The odds are high that you will have retired or switched to a different language by the time the C++ committee finally does delete rand() from the C++ standard library.
I'm creating random inputs to benchmark different implementations of std::sort() using something along the lines of std::vector<int> v(size); std::generate(v.begin(), v.end(), std::rand);
You don't need a cryptographically secure PRNG for that. You don't even need Mersenne Twister. In this particular case, rand() probably is good enough for your needs.
Update
There is a nice simple replacement for rand() and srand() in the C++11 random library: std::minstd_rand.
#include <random>
#include <iostream>
int main ()
{
std:: minstd_rand simple_rand;
// Use simple_rand.seed() instead of srand():
simple_rand.seed(42);
// Use simple_rand() instead of rand():
for (int ii = 0; ii < 10; ++ii)
{
std::cout << simple_rand() << '\n';
}
}
The function std::minstd_rand::operator()() returns a std::uint_fast32_t. However, the algorithm restricts the result to between 1 and 231-2, inclusive. This means the result will always convert safely to a std::int_fast32_t (or to an int if int is at least 32 bits long).
How about randutils by Melissa O'Neill of pcg-random.org?
From the introductory blog post:
randutils::mt19937_rng rng;
std::cout << "Greetings from Office #" << rng.uniform(1,17)
<< " (where we think PI = " << rng.uniform(3.1,3.2) << ")\n\n"
<< "Our office morale is " << rng.uniform('A','D') << " grade\n";
Assuming you want the behavior of the C-style rand and srand functions, including their quirkiness, but with good random, this is the closest I could get.
#include <random>
#include <cstdlib> // RAND_MAX (might be removed soon?)
#include <climits> // INT_MAX (use as replacement?)
namespace replacement
{
constexpr int rand_max {
#ifdef RAND_MAX
RAND_MAX
#else
INT_MAX
#endif
};
namespace detail
{
inline std::default_random_engine&
get_engine() noexcept
{
// Seeding with 1 is silly, but required behavior
static thread_local auto rndeng = std::default_random_engine(1);
return rndeng;
}
inline std::uniform_int_distribution<int>&
get_distribution() noexcept
{
static thread_local auto rnddst = std::uniform_int_distribution<int> {0, rand_max};
return rnddst;
}
} // namespace detail
inline int
rand() noexcept
{
return detail::get_distribution()(detail::get_engine());
}
inline void
srand(const unsigned seed) noexcept
{
detail::get_engine().seed(seed);
detail::get_distribution().reset();
}
inline void
srand()
{
std::random_device rnddev {};
srand(rnddev());
}
} // namespace replacement
The replacement::* functions can be used exactly like their std::* counterparts from <cstdlib>. I have added a srand overload that takes no arguments and seeds the engine with a “real” random number obtained from a std::random_device. How “real” that randomness will be is of course implementation defined.
The engine and the distribution are held as thread_local static instances so they carry state across multiple calls but still allow different threads to observe predictable sequences. (It's also a performance gain because you don't need to re-construct the engine or use locks and potentially trash other people's cashes.)
I've used std::default_random_engine because you did but I don't like it very much. The Mersenne Twister engines (std::mt19937 and std::mt19937_64) produce much better “randomness” and, surprisingly, have also been observed to be faster. I don't think that any compliant program must rely on std::rand being implemented using any specific kind of pseudo random engine. (And even if it did, implementations are free to define std::default_random_engine to whatever they like so you'd have to use something like std::minstd_rand to be sure.)
Abusing the fact that engines return values directly
All engines defined in <random> has an operator()() that can be used to retrieve the next generated value, as well as advancing the internal state of the engine.
std::mt19937 rand (seed); // or an engine of your choosing
for (int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) {
unsigned int x = rand ();
std::cout << x << std::endl;
}
It shall however be noted that all engines return a value of some unsigned integral type, meaning that they can potentially overflow a signed integral (which will then lead to undefined-behavior).
If you are fine with using unsigned values everywhere you retrieve a new value, the above is an easy way to replace usage of std::srand + std::rand.
Note: Using what has been described above might lead to some values having a higher chance of being returned than others, due to the fact that the result_type of the engine not having a max value that is an even multiple of the highest value that can be stored in the destination type.
If you have not worried about this in the past — when using something like rand()%low+high — you should not worry about it now.
Note: You will need to make sure that the std::engine-type::result_type is at least as large as your desired range of values (std::mt19937::result_type is uint_fast32_t).
If you only need to seed the engine once
There is no need to first default-construct a std::default_random_engine (which is just a typedef for some engine chosen by the implementation), and later assigning a seed to it; this could be done all at once by using the appropriate constructor of the random-engine.
std::random-engine-type engine (seed);
If you however need to re-seed the engine, using std::random-engine::seed is the way to do it.
If all else fails; create a helper-function
Even if the code you have posted looks slightly complicated, you are only meant to write it once.
If you find yourself in a situation where you are tempted to just copy+paste what you have written to several places in your code it is recommended, as always when doing copy+pasting; introduce a helper-function.
Intentionally left blank, see other posts for example implementations.
You can create a simple function like this:
#include <random>
#include <iostream>
int modernRand(int n) {
std::random_device rd;
std::mt19937 gen(rd());
std::uniform_int_distribution<> dis(0, n);
return dis(gen);
}
And later use it like this:
int myRandValue = modernRand(n);
As mentioned here