My task is to create a C++ SDK - in the form of a dynamic library(s), most likely.
It is supposed to be used on different platforms - Windows (32/64 bit), Linux (32/64 bit), Mac OS, Android and iOS. I don't have much experience with multi-platform project setup and I'm trying to decide what methods and tools to use for easiest development and deployment.
Side note: I will also have to prepare automatic builds (jobs) on Bamboo CI server, in order to run compilation and tests for each required target.
My main dilemmas are:
Project setup. Should I prepare different project schemas for use on different platforms (like .sln on Windows and makefiles on Linux), or maybe try using a tool like CMake? Is it even possible to prepare a CMake project that will suit all these target platforms?
Compilation toolchain. Should I use "native" C++ compilers for every platform (like MSVC on Windows and GCC on Linux), or maybe a single toolchain like Clang + LLVM? Would Clang + LLVM (and some linker obviously) be even able to build distributable binaries for all these platforms I need?
Development Environment. Which OS/IDE would be best for working on that kind of project? I prefer working on Windows and my usual IDE is Visual Studio - would it be viable in this case, or maybe something else would be more appropriate?
I know that my problem is very complex and there is no straight answer for any of these points, but every advice and even partial answer will be much appreciated :)
As you say, there is no one-size-fits all solution, so I will make some general suggestions. Feel free to pick-and-choose as you feel is most beneficial.
If you plan to do your building on the host OS, cmake sounds like exactly the tool for you. It self-describes as a "build system generator", where the steps to build on a specific host OS are abstracted away, meaning the same setup "should" work for any system cmake supports.
If you're thinking of cross-compiling, you're in for some hurt with the iOS and MacOS goals. As far as I know, and I have put some effort into trying, Apple does not release compilers for their systems that do not run on their systems -> You will have to compile for iOS and MacOS from a MacOS computer. If you can prove me wrong on this point, I would be glad to hear it :)
Depending on your licensing requirements, if you really want an overkill solution you could look into Qt* and qmake. I have had excellent luck with their multiarchitecture solutions, and Qt supports all of the systems you listed in your original question. I find Qt + qmake far easier to deal with than cmake.
* Yes, Qt does non-GUI work quite well too!
I touched on this in the second point of 1., but my general suggestion would be to use native toolchains. Excluding MacOS, it's easy to set up Virtual Machines, build server, etc. to build native code, and my experience with cross-compilers is they always add another layer of heartache, even worse than having to remote-access a separate builder computer.
Provided you avoid system-dependent headers, libraries, or extensions, it shouldn't matter what system you use. Things like <windows.h> and <linux/*.h> are obvious, but the best way cross-platform compatibility can be verified is by testing the foreign systems as often as possible.
Agnostic of compiler used, I would suggest turning on all the warnings. They are usually important, and may indicate a place where the compiler was able to band-aid over a problem but trying to compile for another system will blow up. If you're working on a team, it might be a good idea to set warnings to result in build errors to make sure the rest of the team is as rigorous as you are.
I don't know about LLVM or MSVC, but GCC will give you some hints as to platfom-specific extensions if you give it the -pedantic and -ansi flags. As explaind here, those flags tell GCC to warn for any GNU-specific extensions.
You are very likely going to need multiple tool-chains (you mention C++ and it has no ABI so to be usable on Windows you are more or less required to build with CL). It follows that you will not be able to use a single vendor-specific project setup. As the project grows maintaining multiple versions of project files becomes quickly untenable so your choice of build system is critical. Have a look at Shake and compare to alternatives with a similar feature-set. The choice of IDE is of less importance - many programmers prefer their favorite editor (Emacs or Vim) and may need to do work on any of the supported platforms.
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Firstly, please forgive my ignorance regarding these matters, I have done a search and not found any comprehensive answers as of yet.
I plan on learning how to develop for Windows, however I am very fond of the GNU toolchain and don't really want to move onto using big environments like Visual Studio until I feel more comfortable with the underlying basics.
From what I understand, one can download the Windows SDK, which contains the headers and libraries needed to build native Windows applications.
Is the SDK literally just a collection of libraries and headers? If so, as my logic goes, it should be possible to point MinGW towards these libraries/headers, and simply build as normal.
When I build using Visual Studio, I can't see what preprocessor directives are being defined, what is being linked in etc. etc., as I am still learning, I like to be able to know exactly what is going on, preferably so I have to manually define, link etc. Hence the question.
So, what I want to know: is my logic correct?
Again, apologies if the question is rudimentary, I am still learning.
P.s. I am planning to develop Windows applications in a windows environment, this is not a question regarding cross-compilation.
Thanks!
MinGW is not compatible with the official Windows SDK, with one of the reasons
being that the SDK contains many VS-specific things (opposed to the GCC base
on MinGW). MinGW has adapted many of the necessary files, and for many programs
this is enough.
You don´t need to know the VS project settings for some program;
MinGW is still GCC in the core and used as such. If you can compile
programs with GCC on linux, learning how to use MinGW won´t be hard.
If you need functions/structures/etc. which are not yet part of it,
you´re out of luck, other than doing the adaption yourself, which
can be everything between very easy or very hard, depending on the case.
Additionally, proper thread usage is a bit quirky (has some "hidden" pitfalls,
which could go unnoticed in an actual program for years, but then...).
(While this is a disadvantage to VS, you´ll get C++11/14 (while VS hasn´t
even finished with 11, see link), better optimzation in many cases etc.)
If you´re choosing what exactly to download, look at WinGW-W64 instead of
the "original" old one. The original project somewhat stopped, has poor
lib support compared to W64, no 64bit compiler etc. (and don´t misunderstand
the "W64", it can be used for 32bit programs too)
is there any development environments that allow you to have one code base that can compile to Linux, Mac OS, and Windows versions without much tweaking? I know this is like asking for where the Holy Grail is burred, but maybe such a thing exists. Thanks.
This is achieved through a number of mechanisms, the most prominent being build systems and specific versions of code for certain systems. What you do is write your code such that, if it requires an operating system API, it calls a specific function. By example, I might use MyThreadFunction(). Now, when I build under Linux I get a linux specific version of this MyThreadFunction() that calls pthread_create() whereas the windows version calls CreateThread(). The appropriate includes are also included in these specific platform-files.
The other thing to do is to use libraries that provide consistent interfaces across platforms. wxWidgets is one such platform for writing desktop apps, as is Qt and GTK+ for that matter. Any libraries you use it is worth trying to find a cross-platform implementation. Someone will undoubtedly mention Boost at some point here. The other system I know if is the Apache Portable Runtime (APR) that provides a whole array of things to allow httpd to run on Windows/Linux/Mac.
This way, your core code-base is platform-agnostic - your build system includes the system specific bits and your code base links them together.
Now, can you do this from one desktop? I know you can compile for Windows from Linux and so probably for Mac OS X from Linux, but I doubt if you can do it from Windows-Linux. In any case, you need to test what you've built on each platform so my advice would be to run virtual machines (see vmware/virtualbox).
Finally, editors/environments: use whatever suits you. I use either Eclipse/GVim on Linux and Visual Studio on Windows - VS is my "Windows build system".
Maybe something like CodeBlocks?
Qt is a good library/API/framework for doing this in C++, and Qt Creator is a very pleasant IDE for it.
I've heard this is possible. Your compiler would need to support this. The only one that I know that does is GCC but it obviously requires a special configuration. I, however, have never used this feature. I've only seen that it exists.
What you are looking for is called "Cross Compiling"
I wanted to create a cross-platform 2D game engine, and I would like to
know how to create a cross-platform project with Makefile, so I can compile it to the platforms I choose with custom rule for any platform.
I'm working on the windows enviroment with Visual C++ Express 2008, so it would be nice
if I can use Visual C++ Express as the IDE.
My platforms are YET the Nintendo DS and the PC.
Please instruct me what to do.
Thanks in advance, Tamir.
Don't use make, use a cross-platform tool like cmake, it will take care of the platform-specific generation for you. Like on Windows, it will generate the project files to use Visual Studio; on Linux, it will generate the GNU make files for you. You can set it up to find the right versions of the right libraries and everything. Cmake is great.
CMake is not a compiler (neither is make) - it is a cross-platform build automation system. It allows you to develop on any platform and it defaults to assuming you're developing for the platform you're running. You can specify parameters if you want to do other things. However, most of the "cross-platform" stuff is still left to your code. I would also recommend a library that has been tested on many platforms, like Boost. Using Boost can help keep all your code working smoothly on any system and there is basically no overhead to using it.
I know you can use Makefiles to do #defines, which is, in turn, a common trick for swapping out chunks of code. There are also ways to detect the platform, although that's mostly for Mac/Windows/Linux differences.
Also, Travis is probably right; having your makefiles themselves be cross-platform is really excellent, since it's easier to then setup build servers and things.
I'm involved in C++ project targeted for Windows and Linux (RHEL) platforms. Till now the development was purely done on Visual Studio 2008. For Linux compilation we used 3rd party Visual Studio plugin, which read VS solution/perojects files and remotely compiled on Linux machine.
Recently the decision was to abandon the 3rd party plugin.
Now my big concern is a build system. I was looking around for cross platform build tools. This way I don't need to maintain two set of build files (e.g. vcproj/solution for Windows and make files for Linux).
I found the following candidates:
a. Scons
b. cmake
What do you think about the tools for cross-platfrom development?
Yet another point that bothers me is that Visual Studio (+ Visual Assist) will loose a lot functionality without vcproj files - how you handle the issue with the tools?
Thanks
Dima
PS 1: Something that I like about Scons is that it
(a) uses python and hence it's flexible, while cmake uses propriety language (I understand that it's not a winner feature for a build-system) (b) self contained (no need to generate makefiles on Linux as with cmake).
So why not Scons? Why in your projects the decision was to use cmake?
CMake will allow you to still use Visual Studio solutions and project files. Cmake doesn't build the source code itself, rather it generated build-files for you. For Linux this can be Code::Blocks, KDevelop or plain makefiles or still other more esoteric choices . For Windows it can be among others Visual Studio project files and still others for MacOS.
So Visual Studio solutions and projects are created from your CMakeLists.txt. This works for big projects just fine. E.g. current Ogre3d uses CMake for all platforms (Windows, Linux, MacOS and IPhone) and it works really well.
I don't know much about scons in that regard though, I only used to build one library and only in Linux. So I can't compare these two on fair ground. But for our multi-platform projects CMake is strong enough.
I haven't used Scons before, so can't say how that works, but CMake works pretty well.
It works by producing the build files needed for the platform you're targeting.
When used to target VC++, it produces solution and project files so from VS, it appears as if they were native VS projects. The only difference is, of course, that if you edit the project or solution directly through VS, the changes will be erased the next time you run CMake, as it overwrites your project/solution files.
So any changes have to be made to the CMake files instead.
We have a big number of core libraries and applications based on those libraries. We maintain a Makefile based build system on Linux and on Windows using the Visual Studio solution for each project or library.
We find it works well for our needs, each library or app is developed either on linux or windows with cross compilation in mind (e.g. don't use platform specific api's). We use boost for stuff like file paths, threads and so on. In specific cases we use templates/#defines to select platform specific solution (for example events). When is ready we move to the other system (linux or windows), recompile, fix warnings/errors and test.
Instead of spending time figuring out tools that can cross compile on both platforms we use system that is best for each platform and spend time fixing specific issues and making the software better.
We have GUI apps only on Windows atm. so there's no GUI to cross compile. Most of our development that is shared between Windows and Linux is server side networking (sockets, TCP/IP, UDP ...) and then client side tools on Linux and GUI apps on Windows.
Using with perforce for source code version management we find in quite many cases that the Linux Makefile system is much more flexible for what we need then Windows VS. Especially for using multiple workspaces (views of source code versions) where we need to point to common directories and so on. On Linux this can be done automatically running a script to update environment variables, on Visual Studio referencing environment variables is very inflexible because it's hard to update automatically between views/branches.
Re sync question:
I assume you are asking how to make sure that the two build systems get synchronized between linux and windows. We are actually using Hudson on Linux and CruiseControl on Windows (we had windows first with cruise control, when I went to setup linux version I figured Hudson is better so now we have mixed environment). Our systems are running all the time. When something is updated it is tested and released (either windows or linux version) so you would know right away if it does not work. During testing we make sure all the latest features are there and fully functional. I guess that's it, no dark magic involved.
Oh you mean build scripts ... Each application has it's own solution, in solution you setup up dependencies. On Linux side I have a makefile for each project and a build script in project directory that takes care of all dependencies, this mostly means build core libraries and couple of specific frameworks required for given app. As you can see this is different for each platform, it is easy to add line to build script that changes to directory and makes required project.
It helps to have projects setup in consistent way.
On Windows you open project and add dependency project. Again no magic involved. I see this kind of tasks as development related, for example you added new functionality to a project and have to link in the frameworks and headers. So from my point of view there is no reason to automate these - as they are part of what developers do when they implement features.
Another options is premake. It's like cmake in that it generates solutions from definition files. It's open source and the latest version is very highly customizable using Lua scripting. We were able to add custom platform support without too much trouble. For your situation it has support for both Visual Studio and GNU makefiles standard.
See Premake 4.0 Homepage
CruiseControl is a good choice for continuous integration. We have it running on Linux using Mono with success.
Here is an article about the decision made by KDE developers to choose CMake over SCons. However I've to point that this article is almost three years old, so scons should have improved.
Here is comparison of SCons with other building tools.
Had to do this a lot in the past. What we did is use gnu make for virtually everything including windows at times.
You can use the project files under windows if you prefer and use gnu make for Linux.
There isn't really a nice way to write cross platform makefiles because the target file will
be different among other things (and pathname issues, \ vs / etc). In general, you'll probably be tweaking the code across the various platforms to take subtle differences into account, so a tweak to a make file and checking on the other platforms would have to happen
anyway.
Many OS projects maintain Makefiles for different platforms such as zlib where they are named like Makefile.win, Makefile.linux etc. You could follow their lead.
Currently I`m using Visual Studio for writing code in C++. But it seems so weighty that I decided to switch for another one, preferably free, not so strict to system resources (I mean memory, of course) as VS to learn libraries, such as Boost and Qt. What compiler do you suggest?
I'd suggest using Visual Studio's compiler from the command-line. You get the same high-quality compiler, without the resource-hogging IDE.
Although the IDE is pretty good too, and probably worth the resources it uses.
Code::blocks is exactly what you are after. You can can download it here: http://www.codeblocks.org/downloads/5
Choose the version with the mingw compiler bundled with it (Windows port of GCC). You can switch between that and the VC++ compiler as and when you like.
Code::Blocks has all the stuff you want, debugger integration, code completion, class browser, todo list etc. etc. It even import visual C++ projects.
Don't use Dev C++ which has already been recommended. It's very very old and outdated.
If you want to learn unix tools download and install cygwin It's a good set of tools but a full install takes up 5 or 6 gigs because so much is included.
There is always Digital Mars. Also, you can freely download Microsoft WDK
which comes with their C/C++ compiler and command-line build system.
You will be hard-pressed to find an IDE as capable as MS VS. It is incredibly feature-rich.
However, if you just want command line compiling and linking it can do that too.
GCC is also an option.
Please note that you do not need another compiler or IDE to use boost libraries. I wouldn't replace Visual Studio with any other IDE/compiler, at least not on Windows. Installing Cygwin or SUA (better than Cygwin, closer to the Windows Kernel) will only be a pain just for what you are trying to reach.
Try to minimize the memory usage by disabling unnecessary things, keep the amount of open source files small, use an alternative to document explorer to find help (your browser on msdn will do). Besides that, I wouldn't call a few ten megabytes of memory a high usage. As long as it doesn't slow your system down there is not a real issue.
A better idea would be to upgrade your computer rather than to replace something powerful with something that you don't know.
Seriously there is no real alternative to Ms's compiler on Windows. All the others are OK if you can't spring for Visual Studio or if you are just doing hobbyist work. Cygwin can be a pain to deal with.
If you don't want the IDE as someone else suggested just use the command-line compiler.
I've found VS to be quite good for doing Boost + Qt work. Especially if you have the Qt + VS integration tool. You get a GUI designer and respectable Qt project management tools.
If you are looking for a compiler that uses fewer system resources than the MS ones, you'll probably find that most modern compilers that are able to compile a good part of or almost everything in Boost will be quite heavy on system resources, both processor usage and memory consumption. To a certain extent that's just par for the course when it comes to C++.
That said, I do like to have a second compiler around if I'm writing portable code as it's a lot easier to iron out portability issues when you can ensure that the code compiles in different environments. If you want to do all that on Windows, may Cygwin is worth a look. However it does seem that the GCC you get with Cygwin is not exactly what you'd call up to date.
The aforementioned Digital Mars compilers are well worth a look, Walter Bright (the guy behind them) has been writing C++ compilers for a long time and they're pretty good. I have used them off and on since the early nineties and I've always been happy with them. Not to mention that they always seemed noticeably faster than the Microsoft offerings, but I haven't got any recent measurements to back that up.
At the end of the day, most third-party tool vendors on Windows tend to target the MS environment so if you're writing C++ code professionally and need/want tools like leak detectors, you pretty much need to be able to build with the MS compilers, even if they aren't your main development environment.
I sugget , Netbeans.org
NetBeans IDE , download the Cygwin , follow one tutorial from http://www.netbeans.org for C++ confuguration at Netbeans IDE , just 2 steps.. and u are ok
autocomplete (faster than VS')
classes
and all... you want xD
It needs to mention about DevCpp. It is a simple UI wrap for gcc compiler (oh my, it is sounds like a tautology). It provides lightweight IDE but not so stable (so, its IntelliSense is somewhat buggy).
If you use Qt why not use their IDE, QtCreator, there is compiler, debugger and GUI designer. All comes in one nice package and works on Windows, Mac and Linux.
In my opinion it's better than Code::Blocks (also based on MinGW/GCC).