I am setting up a server for my android chat app. It is a pure group chat i.e. each message will be sent to multiple users and not just a single user
Since I have a background in Python, I would prefer to pick a python based web framework.
So as I was searching, I came across "Django" and "DjangoREST". After reading a lot about them, it seems that DRF (Django Rest Framework) is a RESTful implementation of Django and will let you make applications that are light and scalable.
Since this is for the first time that I am setting up a web service, I can not relate or understand this completely. Also, I feel that what I want to accomplish, could be accomplished on either of the 2 platforms.
Therefore, it will be great if some one could share some very basic and key differences(if any) between the 2 frameworks. So that I can decide which on to pick up.
There are no differences. Django is a web framework and Django Rest Framework makes it easier to create REST services in Django itself.
It doesn't replace Django. It adds to it.
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Hello I am tasked with translating a current Excel tool to a web application. I decided to use Python and Django. Lately I studied the Django REST framework. I have the following related questions.
Is it for such an application a good idea to first write a web REST API so that I
firstly only need to focus on the backbone of the web application. I.e. implement the PUT, POST, GET and DELETE methods and the Django models.
The second step would be to implement the user interface... But if this is a valid method how can I reuse the REST views??? I followed the REST tutorials, but they don't show how to build a nice slick user-interface on top of the REST API.
Since REST views inherit from Django, I think it's maybe not such a good idea to write a Django view which inherits from a REST Apiview? Or can I directly use an API endpoint in a template. If so where can I get some nice examples?
Writing the back-end separately using Django REST Framework is a great idea.
There is a strong architecture based on the idea of decoupling the back-end from the front-end. After you finish the project's backbone, as you are calling it, you can start creating you front-end but your don't have to use Django template rendering in that case.
You can take the pros of using REST APIs and you can use one of the good front-end frameworks or libraries as Angular and React.js.
Another advantage of this that the same API can work with mobile development and so on.
So you develop one back-end and multiple front-ends depends on your need.
Also you can read a discussion about your question on Quora: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-it-make-sense-to-separate-front-end-from-back-end
I'm currently working on a project which would require some realtime functionalities such as Multi-user chatrooms etc.
Ideally, I’m looking to have meteor run the chat application(on a different port) and mongodb act as message broker to the django back-end which would take care of user registration , management and everything 'non-realtime' related.
This would involve setting up a reverse-proxy which would redirect to a different port based on the url (please let me know if i'm wrong in this)
Would this be possible(or even advisable)? Another option would be to implement the same with tornado. but I have no experience with building tornado-based apps and rather do this with a framework I’m comfortable with.
Thanks,
You can have Django serve the Meteor front-end while providing access to its data using django-ddp, giving you some distinct advantages:
Continue to serve your existing Django project/apps.
No extra services or ports to manage.
Scale out by simply adding more front-end Python/Django servers (server to server IPC is done via the existing database connection).
Use django.contrib.auth user accounts in your Meteor app.
Familiar Python/Django code (no "callback" style such as with Tornado).
Use time-tested, trusted relational databases.
Use Django migrations to effectively manage schema changes.
There's a Gitter chat room where I can give you assistance if you need it.
DISCLAIMER: I'm the author of django-ddp.
A meteor application is more than capable of handling the user registration flow and many other things. Why not just build the application entirely in meteor? Your application sounds like a perfect candidate for meteor, with realtime interaction with your database at the core.
The other option would be to use swampdragon which adds realtime data binding within django. It allows for simple bi directional communication between the server and the client. Again, essential for a chat application. It nice and easy to get setup and running as well.
Are there any specific reasons to not implementing your application in one framework alone?
I'm writing Django application (social network) and thinking about dividing monolithic project to two projects: UI and API. For example, Django will be used only to render pages, interacting with and taking data from API, written on web.py.
Pros are following:
I can develop and test API independently.
In the future, other UI can appears (mobile, for example), it will require service.
I plan to outsource web UI developing, so, if my application will have two modules, I can provide outside only UI one, not sharing logic of application.
Cons are following:
I'm working alone, and developing two projects are harder, then one.
I will not be able to use cool Django admin panel. I will need to write my own.
web.py is more low-level comparing with Django.
It's like a brain dump, but I will be really appreciated if you share your experience in creating web application with UI module and independent API module.
Update (more specific question, as Mike asked)
What Python framework will you use for creating REST API of social network, which can be used by different client applications? Is using web.py that returns JSON only and rendering it by Django for web is good idea?
Thanks,
Boris.
I've been in a situation similar to yours. I ended up writing both, the UI and the API part in Django. Currently, I am serving them both out of the same process/project. You mentioned you wanted to be able to outsource the UI development, but do hear me out.
In the meantime, I have used django-piston to implement the RESTful front end, but a bit of preparation went into it:
Encapsulate all DB and ORM accesses into a library. You can do that either for your entire project, or on an app by app basis. The library is not just a low-level wrapper around your DB accesses, but also can be for higher-level 'questions', such as "all_comments_posted_by_friends()" or something. This accomplishes two things:
You can call your pre-canned queries from UI views as well as API views without having to re-implement them in multiple places.
You will later be able to replace some - if not all - of the underlying DB logic if you ever feel like going to a NoSQL database, for example, to some other distributed storage model. You can setup your entire app of this ahead of time, without actually having to worry about the complicated details of this right at the start.
The authentication layer for the API was able to accept an HMAC/token based header for programmatic access and normal Django auth. I setup the views in such a way that they would render plain JSON for the programmatic clients (based on content-type), and would render the data structure in HTML (with clickable links and clickable docstrings) if browsed by a human from a browser. This makes it possible that the API is fully explorable and clickable by a human without having to read any docs, while at the same time it can be easily processed by a client just via JSON.
On effect, the database layer I build serves as the internal API. This same database layer can be used from multiple applications, multiple processes, if you wish to do so. The UI views and the REST views were both implemented in Django. They can either be in the same process or in separate processes (as long as they have access to the same database right now).
I have read a couple of articles about using new JS frameworks like Backbone.js or Ember.js
I have come up to this statement:
If I use a JS framework like Backbone.js/Ember.js, I then move the logic from the back-end (Django) to the front-end.
Therefore, will Django actually be used only for its Models?
Does that mean that Django Views and Django Template are not needed anymore and the Django back-end is kinda turn into a "basic" REST API that will be consumed by the front end.
Do you agree? Is it then the purpose of Django in this case?
Is turning the django backend into a REST API one of the most suitable use case when using a framework like Backbone.js/Ember.js for the front-end?
Thanks.
Django is perfectly fine to be used this way, you still get the admin, the models, the orm and all the third-party plugins. However, it isn't blazingly fast, so if you're doing simple document level, non-relational REST mapping, you might wan't to look into node.js and mongoDB for instance.
If you're sticking with django (like we are, we like the structure it gives us), you can use one of the REST plugins:
Django Rest Framework A perfect match since DRF 2.0, under very active development!
Django Tastypie (checkout backbone-tastypie.js for integration)
Django Piston (might be a bit stale or has development picked up lately?)
If you only want to work with frontend development, checkout the Backend-as-a-Service places like cloudmine.me or firebase.com that handle all backend stuff for you, for a price of course.
Django may seem unnecessary once you start thinking about single page solutions and Javascript applications, but if you want your site to be 'fail proof' it wouldn't be impossible to develop both a client side Javascript version of the site as well as a backend django side incase the user, or your site's javascript, fails at some level. Of course this requires creating your site twice, and probably isn't needed in the age of modern browsers, but such would be one of the few instances where you would mix the two for a complete solution.
Yes, that's about it. You can use it to manage authentication to resources and such and maybe use a main view for your application but you won't need to use the server side templating since these frameworks are made to work with json/xml response.
That's why a lot of people are moving to lighter backend/backbone or ember combo instead of a complete solution like django. You can also use your django for caching json response which makes your application appears faster.
We are doing that and use django-piston to make it easier on you.
Normally you make your entire website under Django and only one page will be a "single app page" using backbone.js, usually that page is a very interactive page, with lots of small updates that occur frequently and need to be shown very fast to the user. This page, because of the large number of changes and user interactions is constructed on the client-side so that you are using his PC resources and not the server's, the rest of the pages can use django because it offers you a very stable and secure framework for the server-side
I will be developing a mobile app (iPhone) and a web based app (Django) soon. For the mobile app I will be creating a REST api (most likely using Django) to send data back and forth from phone to server.
When I comes time to create the web based version does it make sense to just create it as any other client of the api. In other words both the mobile app and the web app will get there data from an external API over HTTP. Or should the web based app have direct access to the database that the api is using and just get its data that way?
Break it into three "sections". The first uses a Python API to manipulate the database. The second interfaces your REST API with your Python API. The third talks web and uses the Python API.
I would create the web application to serve the API to the mobile client. That is, give the web based application direct access to the database. This will simplify your XML / JSON RESTful resource access.
I would say no, don't use the API for the HTML version. If you design your Django well, you can end up with less code than using the API for the HTML version. You also get to retain the ability to have a web designer work with the Django templates whenever the boss wants the spelling changed on something.
I'd suggest trying to define a base app for your iPhone app to interface with, and then extend that within a second app for the HTML version. App1 would have all of your models (including business logic), and a views.py for processing the data to/from the iPhone. Then create App2 which uses App1.models, but creates its own views.py. With any luck, you'll find yourself with the ability to change nothing but the template used to render the output, so you can reuse your views by passing the template as an argument.
For example:
App1.views:
def list(request, template="list.json"):
list = Model.objects.filter(deleted=False).filter(user=request.user)
list.reverse()
## Lots of other logic to work on the list.
return render_to_response(template, {list: list,})
App2.views:
def list(request, template="list.html"):
return App1.views.list(request, template=template)
I think the answer to this question has changed over time. A year ago when asked it was probably still too much hassle to do this, but now I'd definitely say yes - using your API as the basis is the smart thing to do. As Web sites use more HTML5 and Mobile apps get smarter it really makes sense to have all your "UIs" read/writing from the same API layer. This will give you much more flexibility in the future.