I am working on a Qt project in which exact time at which certain events occur is of prime importance. To be specific: I have a very simple animation that must be drawn to the screen at certain time say t1. Once I issue the QWidget update to start the animation, it will take a small time dt (depending on screen refresh rates etc.) to actually show the update on screen. I need to measure this extra time dt. I am unsure as to how to do it.
I thought of using QTime and QElapsedTimer object in the paint event of the QWidget but I'm not sure if that would achieve my goal.
Similarly, when the user presses a key it will be registered after a small delay based on the polling rate of the keyboard. I need to account for this delay as well. If I could get the polling rate I know on average how much will the delay be.
What you're asking for is--by definition--not possible from within the computer.
How would you expect to be able to tell when a pixel "actually showed up" on the screen, without a sensor stuck to the monitor and synchronized to an atomic clock the computer has access to also? :-)
The odds are stacked even further against Qt because it's generally used as an abstraction layer on top of Win/OSX/Linux. Those weren't Real-Time Operating Systems of any kind in the first place.
All you can know is when you asked for something to happen. Then you can time how long it takes for you to get back control to make another request. You can set some expectations on your basic "frame rate" throughput by doing this, but there are countless factors that could lead to wide variations in performance at any moment in time.
If you can dig through to the kernel/driver level you can find out a closer-to-the-metal measure of when the actual effect went to the hardware. But that's not Qt's domain, and still doesn't tell you the "actual" answer of when the effect manifested in the outside world.
About the best you're going to get out of Qt is a periodic QTimer. It can make a callback at (roughly) millisecond resolution. If that's not good enough... you're going to need a smaller boat. :-)
You might get a little boost from stuff related to the search term "high resolution timer":
Qt high-resolution timer
http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/31941
I thought of using QTime and QElapsedTimer object in the paint event of the QWidget but I'm not sure if that would achieve my goal.
This is, in fact, the only way to do it, and is all you can actually do. There is nothing further that can be done without resorting to a real-time operating system, custom drivers, or external hardware.
You may not need both - the QElapsedTimer measuring the time passed since the last update is sufficient.
Do note that when the event loop is empty, the delay between invocation of widget.update() and the paintEvent executing is under a microsecond, assuming that your process wasn't preempted.
it is a reaction time experiment for some studies. A visual input is presented to which the user responds via keyboard or mouse. To be able to find the reaction time precisely I need to know when was the stimulus presented on the screen and when was the key pressed.
There is essentially only one way of doing it right without resorting to a realtime operating system or a custom driver, and a whole lot of ways of doing it wrong. So, what's the right way?
A small area of the screen needs to change color or brightness coincidentally with the presentation of the visual stimulus. You attach a fiber optic to the screen, and feed it into a receiver attached to an external event timer. The contact closure in the keyboard is also fed to the same event timer. This lets you precisely time the latency of the response with no regard for operating system latencies, thread preemption, etc. The event timer can be something as cheap as an Arduino, if you are willing to do a bit more development work.
If you are showing the stimulus repetitively and need a certain timing between stimulus presentations, you simply repeat the presentation often and collect both response latency and stimulus-to-stimulus timing in your data. You can then discard the presentations that were outside of desired tolerances.
This approach is screen-agnostic and you can use it even on a mobile device, as long as it can somehow interface with your timer hardware. The timer hardware can of course be networked, making interfacing easy.
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I'm writing a C++ application whose main window needs to receive real-time data from a server and draw plots and histograms in realtime based on this data. I'm using GTK3 (actually its C++ binding gtkmm) and Cairo.
In particular, data is received every 1 second from the network, and refresh happens every time the data is received, thus every 1 second. Refresh is done by calling the invalidate_rect() method for the entire drawing area, whose on_draw() even redraws all figures and plots using the newly received data.
Now, the application works but it's extremely unreliable. In particular, it freezes very often, especially when the CPU load increases. The CPU usage of my application, as well as memory, are very low. Suddenly the window becomes grey and unresponsive, and I need to kill it with Ctrl-C, since even pressing the window close icon doesn't work.
I'm wondering: is it the wrong approach to call invalidate_rect() in the scenario above? What is a better way, using GTKMM/Cairo, to obtain smooth graphics in a reliable way?
In a display application we do use a large Window painting area. The display application gets so many updates for painting realtime data that all CPU time of the PC is used for painting. We do use InvalidateRect() and then paint the items in WM_PAINT message.
So we decided to use a dirty flag for each item to paint for reducing painting it.
How to know when the application can paint the items so that not all CPU time is consumed. Is there anything telling us that we can do our paint stuff now ?
If the data is updating so fast that painting each update is too much, you can use a timer. Every (say) quarter second, the timer fires, and if any items are dirty, the timer handler calls InvalidateRect(). Updating the data no longer invalidates; only the timer handler does that.
Edit: You could query Windows for the CPU load and if it's low, do the Invalidate immediately; see How to get system cpu/ram usage in c++ on Windows
One method I've used is to make sure that only one paint event is on the event queue at a time. You can use a boolean flag to mark when you begin updating and then reset the flag at the end of the WM_PAINT message (the end of the update process). Of course, if you try to update the window again and the flag is already set, then don't do anything. This will keep extra events from being piled into the queue, which can bog down your system. It looks like you may have thought of this, but do this with the entire update in addition to the individual items. Keep in mind that I'm only thinking of the updating of the windows themselves and not any underlying data.
One other thing I had to do was to "pump" (or process) the message queue during my (application) updates because updating a window (in my case) took several messages, ending with the WM_PAINT.
Another thing to watch out for is to not use idle messages for updating your interface. This is a quick and dirty way of having the update happen automatically, but ends up being a really bad idea because the idling only happens when there are no other events on the message queue. Of course, any time you move the mouse or press keys those events are placed onto the event queue and causes a "stall" of the update process. The idle events can end up coming so fast that it causes your application to use most of the CPU processing power just for displaying data that hasn't even changed. It's better to have your GUI only update when the underlying data it displays actually updates.
I had data coming in at 60Hz and updating lots of lists with columns of data as well as 3D stuff going on. I finally had to prioritize the updates and just not update the lists for each cycle, but DO update the 3D data each cycle. Updaing the lists at about 1-5 Hz was good enough for me and when combined with the techniques above resulted in a much improved and responsive system.
I had perfomances issues with CUDA in my program. The time taken for the same task (aligning clouds of 3D points) wasn't stable and could be 30 times higher sometimes.
I use Qt for the main interface, which initialize a thread with my worker class. The purpose of this class is to launch cuda computing on my data and to send Qt signals which will be captured by the GUI for updating the display of an OpenGl widget.
I had resolved my performances issues by removing a QBasicTimer in my OpenGL widget, it was used like this :
void SWGLCloudWidget::initializeGL()
{
// ...
m_oTimer->start(5, this);
}
It has no use at all, but i forget to delete it after some refactoring.
In Qt documentation it says :
The QBasicTimer class provides timer events for objects.
This is a fast, lightweight, and low-level class used by Qt internally. We recommend using the higher-level QTimer class rather than this class if you want to use timers in your >applications. Note that this timer is a repeating timer that will send subsequent timer events >unless the stop() function is called.
I was wondering how this low-level call could cause such a mess with CUDA, just for my curiosity.
The way I interpret:
As described in the documentation update()\updateGL()
does not cause an immediate repaint; instead it schedules a paint
event for processing when Qt returns to the main event loop. This
permits Qt to optimize for more speed and less flicker than a call to
repaint() does.
If for some reason (other threads, monitor refresh rate limitations,time spent computing new images, other signals and slots,etc...) the screen can be refreshed only every X milliseconds and you ask for a refresh rate of Y > X, then Qt will keep queuing paint events to the detriment of other events. Thus the system will be even less responsive as you observed.
This is an issue of congestion as it happens in network systems, where the throughput (average successful rate) is lower and lower than the requested rate.
What I need to do is create a program that overlays the whole screen and every 30 seconds the screen needs to flash black once.
the program just needs to be on top of everything, doesn't have to work over the top of games, but wouldn't say no if it did!
But i've got no idea where to start. Ideally the solution would be cross-platform for both windows and osx.
Does anybody have any ideas about where I should start or could whip up a quick demo?
OpenGL (you tagged it as such) will not help you with this.
Create a program, that overlays the whole screen,
The canonical way to do this is by creating a decorationless, borderless top level window with some stay-on-top property being set.
and every 30 seconds the screen needs to flash black once.
How do you define "flash back once"? You mean you want the display become visible for one single vertical retrace period or a given amount of time? Being the electronics tinkerer I am, honestly, I'd do this using a handfull of transistors, resistors and capacitors, blanking the analog VGA signal.
Anyway, if you want to do this using software, this is going to be hard work. If you'd do this using the aforementioned stay-on-top window, when you "flash" it away, all the programs with visible output would receive redraw events, which to process would take some time. In the best case scenario the system uses a compositing window manager which can practically immediately show the desktop. Without a compositor its going to be impossible to "flash" the screen.
Ideally the solution would be cross-platform for both windows and osx
A task like this can not be solved cross plattform. There's too much OS dependent work to do for this.
I presume this is for some kind of nerological or psychological experiment. I think doing this using some VGA intercepting circurity would be actually the easier, quicker to implement solution. I can help you with that. But I think there's another StackExchange better suited for this. Unfortunately digital display interfaces (DVI, HDMI and Display Port) use a complex line code scheme, which can not be blanked as easily as VGA, so you must have a computer capable of analog (=VGA) output and a display with a VGA input.
I'm using SetTimer to create a timer in my application with an interval of 50ms, this timer is going to be used to draw an object, and move it around.
Now I don't want the object to move when the window is out of focus, but I still need it to be painted.
And having it paint every 50ms, seems unnecessary. And performance is extremely important in this project.
So I need a way to pause the timer, but still draw the object, but preferably only when needed.
When you get WM_ACTIVATE, decide whether to call KillTimer or SetTimer.
Just a note aside to you initial problem.
I would not rely on Windows Timer with such low resolution. It's a low priority message and if you have lots of heavy duty things going on in you program, the timer might be invoked at higher intervals that you expect.