I need to write an application that will be visually indistinguishable from something written natively for Windows XP/Vista/7 using whatever comes by default with the most modern Visual Studio. But I'm developing using MinGW and Vim (in C++).
In particular, I want the following controls to be native on the above three versions of Windows: form chrome, buttons, check boxes, menus, combo boxes, progress bars, scrollbars, rich text boxes. This will be enough for me.
I know that if you load GdiPlus and other things like riched32.dll as needed, and use Windows API to instantiate controls, then the OS will substitute its version of GdiPlus or other library, so it will look like XP style controls on XP, Vista on Vista, etc.
But I don't want to use plain Windows API, because even retrieving the default font takes half a page of code, and similar stories whatever I want to do. So I'd like to use a toolkit.
wxWidgets, Qt, GTK+, FLTK seem like the most widely used. But they are all cross-platform. I've used cross-platform applications, and many of them have foreign GUI controls (I call them widgets). So my question is: which of these toolkits can be made to produce true native-looking UI controls listed above, appearing correctly on the three versions of MSWin listed above?
I've typed each of them +" windows" into Google Images, but it's hard to tell, except that FLTK probably can't do it. Many of you must know the answer off the top of your head...
I won't talk about FLTK as I don't know it.
wxWidgets uses the native toolkit of the platform, (GTK on Linux, Win32 GUI API
on Windows, Cocoa on MacOS X).
GTK uses a theming API to fake the look and feel of the platform (custom theming engine on GTK2, CSS-based engine on GTK3).
Qt uses styles to fake the look and feel of the platform.
wxWidgets API is quite ugly from my own experience, because it had too many method just available on one or the other platform making stuff non-portable unless you'd workaround it. Unlike GTK+ and Qt, it also adds its own layer of bugs above the toolkit it uses as a backend. However, it tries hard to have the platform's native look as it uses the native toolkit.
GTK+ 3 still has some rough edges on Windows, which it officially supports since GTK+ 3.6. The GTK+ project delegates to the MSYS2 project the distribution of Windows binaries. As you're already using MinGW, that's pretty much the same kind of environment. They have good C++ bindings with GTKmm. However, you may have some work to get the theming right for your version of Windows.
Qt is a good choice for cross-platform C++ development with the main target being Windows, tries to mimic the native look and feel of the platform but has its own theming limitations too.
To sum up, there are only 2 approches:
toolkits that provide their own widgets and try to look like the native platform by providing theming (GTK+ and Qt)
toolkits that use the native widgets but hide their API behind a layer of abstraction (wxWidgets)
Both have their pros and cons.
Implementation details aside, wxWidgets philosophy is, and has always been, to look as natively as possible. We, wxWidgets developers, don't always achieve the goal of looking indistinguishably from the native applications but we always strive to do it and. AFAIK this is not such an important goal for Qt and definitely not for GTK+, so in my (obviously biased) opinion, wxWidgets is your best choice if you are serious about providing the best experience for your users, especially under OS X.
To answer your question more precisely, everything you list above is implemented using native controls in wxWidgets for Windows (rich text control is not available natively under the other platforms though).
IUP - Portable User Interface library uses native widgets, C API and Lua bindings.
i used java for native cross-platform without changing the code, used c/c++ wxwidgets for exclusively cross-platform if you want go to little up performance and standalone executable, used c/c++ winapi for windows and x11 for gnu linux native platform and terminal console, used python for scripting console and platform if you want your software up to date fast, and used assembly for a little simple purely console. And sometimes i combined them all with shared library .dll on windows and .so on gnu linux. And i liked doing for do comparative performance on programming studies with small hardware requirements.
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is there a way of creating a classic GUI with cpp like for the case of JavaFX? I want to create elements like floating buttons, tables, graphs, etc. I know of tools like qt but I'm not ok with it. I tried win32 API but it's only for Windows.
GUI libraries are generally called "widget toolkits", and there are a variety of cross-platform GUI widget toolkits available, however they are rarely a good idea for a great UX because different operating-system environments have different UI paradigms (e.g. how macOS and Ubuntu has a single always-on menu-bar at the top, whereas Windows and other Linux desktops do not).
So you have two fundamental choices to make:
Use a single cross-platform GUI toolkit - which means creating a single GUI project, but restricting you to that toolkit's selection of controls and functionality, and generally subjecting your users to a (relatively) poorer user-experience, either because your toolkit does not use native widgets (e.g. Java, WPF, Qt) or because you cannot use a platform's native paradigms.
Write a new native GUI for each platform. This means more work, but a better user-experience.
For cross-platform GUI toolkits, the main options are:
Qt
GTK+
WxWidgets
For a comparison between the three, see this QA: Which, if any, achieves Windows native look: GTK+, wxWidgets, Qt, FLTK?
(TL;DR: WxWidgets uses native controls but is difficult to develop with; Qt offers the best developer experience but has many other bullet-points which you need to be aware of)
For a native UI for each platform you need to target, you'll need to familiarize yourself with each API:
Win32:
MFC (the API is ugly by modern standards, but does encapsulate the main Win32 UI paradigms and APIs, such as Common Controls. However, be prepared for an uphill fight to support latter-day UI features, such as High-DPI, bi-directional text and high-quality 2D rendering. GDI/GDI+ is on the way out, which means using Direct2D - which is fun because MFC assumes GDI)
UWP/XAML: If your application can be sandboxed (and run only on Windows 10) then you should take a good look at UWP/XAML (it's all native, so the CLR is not involved).
WPF: Using WPF makes it easier to create a high-quality user-interface, if you're comfortable with your application taking a dependency on the .NET Framework and writing UI code in C# - however the visual aesthetic of un-skinned WPF apps took a nosedive with Windows 10 (i.e. they're ugly) and WPF's default control set is very aneamic - but if you have the means (i.e. time, money, people) then you can get great results - and as a bonus the XAML for WPF is generally portable to UWP.
macOS: Cocoa - you will have a hard time doing this in C++. If you're targeting macOS I strongly suggest writing your UI layer in Swift (or Objective-C if you have to) and then linking-in to the rest of your application code using C++ bridges.
Linux: As Linux is just a kernel the set of "native" widgets depends on the desktop environment of the user - but most desktop programs seem to use GTK. And if you're going to use GTK then you might as well use GTK's cross-platform features to support Windows and macOS.
In conclusion: it's difficult and a lot of work. :) - and explains why many software titles today (mid-2017) often built as web-applications either on the web directly (e.g. Facebook, StackOverflow, SalesForce) or hosted webviews using Electron (e.g. Slack, VS Code, Atom) or some other hosted-webiew (PhoneGap apps, Spotify, etc).
From my understanding, Qt and GTK on the Windows and OS X side are just wrappers around the native GUI libraries, like for OS X it wraps around Cocoa, and for Windows around Win32. However, my question is, how do they integrate with Linux? Do the Desktop Environment developers have to implement special libraries for either Qt or GTK or how does it work? I have looked around but I can't really find the answer.
A few further notes.
Neither GTK+ nor Qt use the native widgets of Windows and OS X. They approximate the look and feel using native APIs, but internally everything is all done custom.
GTK+ and Qt are responsible for, and define, the themes available to programs on Linux. Desktop environments typically provide a way to change the theme globally for all applications, but how this is done is defined by GTK+ and Qt. For example, GTK+ 3 typically uses ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini to store this information (and there is a programmatic API to this file).
Qt has a bridge for GTK+ 2 themes via QGtkStyle, and the KDE developers maintain versions of their Oxygen theme for GTK+ 2 and GTK+ 3. (The previous sentence may change in the future, especially now that GTK+ 2 is long dead.)
Update 1: Unix systems only provide a way to reserve a rectangular region of the screen to do what you want with it, including drawing (as in plotting a bitmap image) to it. Drawing (as in drawing shapes) is done by hand. GTK+ uses a library called cairo to do its drawing; I believe Qt wrote their own (QPainter?). Both Windows and OS X provide drawing APIs (Windows has several; OS X has Core Graphics). (X11 does have drawing primitives, but I assume they are not expressive enough to be used for modern 2D graphics; I wouldn't know...)
The same applies to font rendering, though modern Unix systems tend to base their font rendering on some generally accepted base libraries (freetype, fontconfig, fribidi, harfbuzz). GTK+ uses Pango to do text layout (actually arranging blocks of text into lines and paragraphs) and drawing (Pango integrates with cairo); I believe Qt also uses its own (this time I'm not sure).
I wrote about what X11 does do some time ago.
On Linux (desktops and laptops) the graphical screen is generally displayed (at least that was the case in beginning of 2015) by the X11 server. Your GUI app is communicating with that server thru sockets, often locally on a Unix socket like /tmp/.X11-unix/X0. The X11 server is generally Xorg.
For some embedded devices like Android mobile phones or some gadgets (GPS in cars, automotive or medical device industry) it is different (DirectFB, framebuffer devices -which is used by the X11 server on your desktop, ...)
Some distributions are switching to Wayland (or perhaps to Mir). Since I don't know these much, I cannot explain the gory details. AFAIU, there is still some server involved (which, like Xorg, is the only user-land software component talking to your graphics card) and some protocol, and major toolkits like Qt & GTK are been adapted to them (so if you code for Qt or for GTK, you don't care about those details, but you should upgrade your toolkit).
The graphical toolkits (Qt, Gtk) are interacting with the X11 server (or the Wayland one) thru some specific protocol(s), e.g. X Window System protocols for X11. For historical reasons, these protocols are quite complex, and practically require to follow some conventions like EWMH.
See also this answer to a related question. I explain there that X11 is not used today as it was in the previous century; in particular the server-side drawing abilities of X11 (e.g. Xlib's XDrawLine or XDrawText) are rarely used today, because the toolkit is drawing a pixmap image client side and sending it to the server.
Notice that you might consider giving not a GUI interface, but a Web interface, to your application (e.g. using libraries like libonion, Wt, ....); then your application becomes a specialized Web server, and the user would go thru his browser (in his desktop/laptop/tablet/phone) to interact with your app.
Practically speaking, user interfaces are so complex that you really should use some toolkit for them (Qt if coding in C++). Coding from scratch (even above Xlib or XCB for X11) would requires years of work.
There exist several other widget toolkits above X11, e.g. FOX toolkit, FLTK (but most of them have much less features than Qt or GTK).
There's no clear answer. There's no native GUI on Linux, as there is on Windows and OSX. X11, which is windowing system used on Linux (this applies to Wayland and Mir too), is very basic and low level and is responsible mainly for handling input devices and allocating windows to applications. It does not provide any GUI components such as buttons or text fields. In that sense, both Qt and GTK+ can be seen as "native" Linux GUI libraries. To make matters worse, desktop environment plays a part too. On Gnome, GTK+ can be seen as more "native", whereas on KDE QT is more "native".
I've been away from GUI programming for quite some time so please pardon my ignorance.
I would like to attempt the following:
Write a Mac OSX app but still be able to port to Win/Linux (i.e. C++ core with Obj-C GUI)
Avoid Qt/other toolkits on OSX (i.e. talk to Cocoa directly - I feel that many Qt apps I use stick out like sore thumbs compared to the rest of my system)
Not as important, but it would be nice to avoid Visual Studio if it means I can have the freedom to use newer C++ features even on Windows if they help create better code.
I believe this configuration might get me what I'm looking for:
Core C++ Static Library
OSX GUI (Cocoa)
Windows GUI (Qt+MinGW?) OR (no new C++ features, Visual Studio + ManagedC++/C#/????)
Linux GUI (Qt)
Once again, sorry for my ignorance but is this possible? Is this sane? Are there any real-world open source examples accomplish something like this?
There is quite a few OS X applications that have completely custom-designed looks that don't use very many stock controls. iStat Menus comes to mind, but there are many other examples. They still look good, but it's done by manually designing them to look good and to "mesh" with the overall look of OS X applications. Even their preferences pane doesn't use stock buttons.
Thus, you can go quite far using Qt, you just have to pay close attention to what you're doing - similarly to the way other developers are paying close attention even when using Cocoa. You'll find that Qt's controls offer functionality often above and beyond what's offered in Cocoa.
That said, on OS X sometimes you may need to run some native code that expects a CFRunLoop to be present. It's good to know that Qt's event loop already spins a runloop for you, so as long as you have an event loop spinning in a given thread, you can use runloop-based code - the default runloop is provided by Qt's implementation of QEventDispatcher (somewhere in its guts). For non-gui threads, the unmodified QThread does it for you. This is useful for using asynchronous IOKit functionality, for example. Another answer of mine presents some Cocoa mouse event grabbing code. A previous version that used Carbon can be found in the edit history of that answer.
Same goes for Windows: Qt runs a message sink for all top-level windows it owns, and you can integrate native controls/windows using qtwinmigrate. You can also integrate ActiveX controls using the Active Qt framework.
Well I think you should try Qt even on OSX. Qt allows native/custom look of applications (those cases you mentioned are probably bad examples - you probably haven't noticed that lots of other applications also use Qt).
Tools I usually use for multi-platform development:
C++ (now C++11 since all major compilers more or less support it)
Boost
Qt
CMake as build system generator
If you use this tool-set you can choose whichever platform you like for development and still be multi-platform without extensive work on the other platforms.
I want to create a C++ UI framework (something like QT or like ubuntu unity Desktop)
How is programmed , is it using OpenGL or lets take plasma ui of QT (how is this programmed )?
Direct answers , reference links anything will be helpful.
Some interesting opengl based UI I founf on the web
LiquidEngine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0saaAIjIEY
Libnui
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libnui
Some UI frameworks render everything themselves, and work based on some kind of clipping-window-within-the-host-systems-screen. Non-display aspects (such as input event handling) have to be translated to/from the host systems underlying APIs.
Some UI frameworks translate as much as possible to some underlying framework.
wxWidgets can do both. You can choose a native version (e.g. wxMSW if you're on Windows) and most wxWidgets controls will be implemented using native Windows controls. Equally, you can choose the wxUniversal version, where all controls are implemented by the wxWidgets library itself.
The trouble is that typical GUI frameworks are huge. If you want a more manageable example to imitate, you might look at FLTK. I haven't got around to studying it myself, but it has a reputation for being consise.
There are also some GUI toolkits that are specifically aimed at games programming, such as Crazy Eddies GUI. My guess - these are probably as idependent of the underlying API as possible, so that particular applications can implement the mapping to whichever underlying API they happen to target (OpenGL, DirectX, SDL, whatever) and can be the boss of the GUI rather than visa versa.
http://www.wxwidgets.org/
http://www.fltk.org/
http://www.cegui.org.uk/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
"no really, don't write your own wm or toolkit"
The #Xorg-devel guys on irc.freenode.org
doing one anyway means that you have to test against a wide range of more or less buggy WMs and X implementations, and that you have to frequently update to be compatible with the latest Xorg server and X protocol features (like Xinput 2.1)
understandably, the Xorg people are tired to support old, unmaintained toolkits and applications. They already have enough bugs.
The GUI frameworks are very dependant on a windows system, which dictates what is allowed and how windows are created and rendered. For example, pass a specific option to create a borderless or full-screen window.
Since you mentioned opengl and ubuntu, I guess you want to start on a linux platform. You should study xlib, for which you can find reference here.
Since the qt library is open source, you can download it and peek into it's sources.
A UI library isn't developed from scratch. It relies on the OS' windowing system, which relies on the driver from your graphics adapter, which relies on the OS kernel, which relies on... and so on.
To develop any software "from scratch", you can start by writing your own BIOS. Once you're done with that, move on to writing an OS, and then you should be just about ready to write the software you wanted. Good luck.
And this is assuming you're willing to cheat, of course, and use a compiler you didn't write from scratch.
Before you do that, it's worth that you spend one week on thinking:
1, Do you really know how to do it? I doubt that.
2, Do you really need to do it? I doubt that too.
Imagine you are on Windows 7 and you have to write a GUI for a GRAPHIC application, (like a terrain editor, mesh viewer ..) which involves a great use of DirectX and OpenGL (so written in native C++).
If your goal is a multi-platform software then you should go for wxWidgets, but imagine you're doing a Windows' only app...what would your choice be? and why?
I'm supposing that the application would work on both XP and Vista/7 and obviously in the WPF case the UI will be managed, but it will call native functions by a C++/CLI proxy-like class
( will "bouncing" from managed-native and native-managed cause performance issues? ).
RAD Studio can also make the job
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you can also make WPF with Delphi Prism and wxWidgets with twinforms
If you are comfortable with your C++ skills, I recommend WTL. It is very lightweight and results in lean machine code. The Windows version of Google Chrome was written with WTL.
To minimize development time and maximize performance I would definite go with Delphi 2010 (Rad Studio 2010). You get native execution, direct interfaces with Windows 7 Direct2D API, and arguably one of the best IDE/Development environments available on Windows 7. What else do you want?
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TheSoftwareRonin
You might consider using Qt, even for a Windows-only app, simply because the Qt C++ API is so nicely done. Qt supports OpenGL and can be used in conjunction with DirectX.
In WPF, you can actually use DirectX Shaders to apply effects on interface objects, (here's a CodeProject article detailing development aspects) and it is expected that the support for this will continue to grow, so I would choose WPF as a development platform. Furthermore, it focuses on creating attractive user interfaces with a reasonable amout of effort, and I think this is quite important in building a Graphics oriented aplication.
will "bouncing" from managed-native and native-managed cause performance issues?
definitely, but since you write just editor (not a game, in general) it's not a thing you should worry about
WPF applications rendered by DirectX subsystem as i know. so if you using only DirectX it will be a good choice.
I would personally use http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32-framework/ to create any Windows based applications in C++. Otherwise I would just use VB.Net or C# because you can easily port code between both and the form designer is very useful.
MFC :: Just say NO for any kind of project.
Win32 :: Well, I can not really recommend using it.
wxWidgets :: I have used it and seen no problem, good choice.
WPF :: I have not and never will use it as it is .Net bound.
FLTK :: Also look at http://fltk.org/, probably has better OpenGL support.
Be sure to check out WDL ("whittle") by the Cockos team (headed by Justin Frankel of Nullsoft/Winamp fame).
It's an extremely lightweight C++ library that includes "WDL Virtual Window system."
I personally haven't used it, but I can vouch for some great software that's been made with it. Extremely efficient and lightweight apps.
Link: WDL
I can't really comment on wxWidgets, but WPF is vastly superior to MFC and good old Win32 API. WPF uses DirectX for rendering and there are some 3D support in WPF. Unfortunately this support is still somewhat rudimentary and not the most performant. You can actually get better 3D performance if you host a Windows Forms control that renders OpenGL (at least we had to do that in a recent project I worked on). If you want to do 3D rendering in a WPF application you could have a look at the XNA Framework. The next version of the .NET framework will also include improvements to WPF and I'm sure there will be better support for 3D.