I have a piece of software in QT framework (c++) that's suppose to dispatch processed (local) data to other servers and receive the same (foreign) data processed on other servers and compare it.
Problem occurs when a large amount of local data is processed foreign data is buffered and doesn't go into comparison process until all local data is sent. I need the data to be compared in certain time frame, so this causes a timeout.
An idea was to to use one thread to dispatch local data and another thread to receive and compare foreign data. QTcpServer will probably need a mutex to protect it from simultaneous reading and writing.
Is this possible to do with one connection or would it be better to have one connection for dispatching and one for receiving in QT environment?
I checked the Fortune server example
http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtnetwork-threadedfortuneserver-example.html
but I need to know if it's possible and logical to use different threads for sending and receiving on the same connection.
PS. I'm new to multi-threading so I apologise if I misunderstood some concepts.
Without seeing any code, it's difficult to definitively answer this question. However, this may set you on the right track...
I wouldn't expect you'd need different threads for sending / receiving data; QTcpSocket is asynchronous.
It sounds like the architecture you're using to process the data may need revising.
foreign data is buffered and doesn't go into comparison process until all local data is sent
That sounds like more of an issue and the area where multi-threading would be beneficial. So, use multi-threading for processing the data, rather than controlling the communication between servers.
As you state you're new to multi-threading, I suggest starting by reading this article and using its examples as a template.
Hi I have a QNetworkAccessManager which I use to send request to get image data from server. This call is asynchronous. I do multiple calls with it. Each call is done by opening a new instance of QNetworkAccessManager So when a specific condition occurs I want to stop the QNetworkAccessManager from receiving the replies from its network requests. Is there any way to do it? Thanks.
Don't use a new QNetworkAccessManager for each request but share the manager. It's usually fine to have just one. Of course one can have multiple if the application design suggests it - but e.g. managing multiple of them in a single controlling object is usually unnecessary. Just have one manager with the same lifetime as the object controlling the network requests.
To cancel running operations, keep the QNetworkReply* pointers QNetworkAccessManager::get/put/post return and call abort() when your condition occurs.
Connect to the finished() signal to remove them from the bookkeeping (as otherwise you would end up with dangling pointers).
If that becomes too complicated, think about using the command pattern. In this answer I describe why I find it particularly useful in this context.
I'm new to Poco framework and not to good with C++ but I am learning. I have to create a server-client based application in windows.
The problem that I have now is that I need to send repeatedly from minute to minute some data to the clients. i need to do this for the clients that have an active tcp connection with the server. I don't know how can I create an event, or something that is triggered in a thread and starts all the active threads to send data to the clients.
My first idea is that I have to rewrite, or extend the TCPServerDispatcher Class. And I don't know how can I identify the active threads from the ThreadPool.
Do you have any ideas, or maybe suggestions, or a tutorial, something?
I can't figure it out how to do it...
Hope somebody can give me an idea, or some code example. Thank you.
Can these server<> client threads not obtain the data for themselves? It would be fairly easy to add a 60-second timeout on a read() in each thread and send the data then. Maybe this would involve too many database connections?
Failing that, can you put the latest data in a lockable object and have the threads just lock, write and unlock the latest data on a timeout? Such a solution should really have a write timeout as well to prevent a badly-behaved client causing its server thread to block while holding the lock. If it's not too large, I suppose the server<> client thread could make a copy of the data to send, but I'm not a great fan of copying, TBH.
There are more complex ways of signaling the server<> client threads that new data is avalable. It is quite possible to signal each thread that new data is available and have them act upon it 'immediately'. This usually means the server<> client thread waiting on more than one signal. In general, the lower the latency, the more complex the solution:(
Rgds,
Martin
I'm trying to build an application with WT which on one end must communicate with some other software through a socket, and on the other end notify every opened session (the WApplications).
The thing is, I can make it work, using a WSocketNotifier to be notified of new events on the socked BUT the WSocketNotifier is linked to a particular session.
In its constructor it does :
sessionId_(WApplication::instance()->sessionId()),
And that's a problem because I have only one socket, not one for each session.
So I feel the WSocketNotifier should be attached to some more general entity, not linked to a particular session. Is there a way to do that?
The only solution I see for now but it's not very elegant is to have a static WSocketNotifier and replace it when sessions die ...
I know nothing of WT, but can you create a "dummy" session just for the purposes of handling the socket notifications, and forward to the real sessions from tehre? Or roll your own notifier that sessions can subscribe to?
in your main(), create a thread that processes the data from your socket. With select, blocking read, ... Then use WServer::post() to notify your sessions that data arrived on your socket.
I'm programming an online game for two reasons, one to familiarize myself with server/client requests in a realtime environment (as opposed to something like a typical web browser, which is not realtime) and to actually get my hands wet in that area, so I can proceed to actually properly design one.
Anywho, I'm doing this in C++, and I've been using winsock to handle my basic, basic network tests. I obviously want to use a framelimiter and have 3D going and all of that at some point, and my main issue is that when I do a send() or receive(), the program kindly idles there and waits for a response. That would lead to maybe 8 fps on even the best internet connection.
So the obvious solution to me is to take the networking code out of the main process and start it up in its own thread. Ideally, I would call a "send" in my main process which would pass the networking thread a pointer to the message, and then periodically (every frame) check to see if the networking thread had received the reply, or timed out, or what have you. In a perfect world, I would actually have 2 or more networking threads running simultaneously, so that I could say run a chat window and do a background download of a piece of armor and still allow the player to run around all at once.
The bulk of my problem is that this is a new thing to me. I understand the concept of threading, but I can see some serious issues, like what happens if two threads try to read/write the same memory address at the same time, etc. I know that there are already methods in place to handle this sort of thing, so I'm looking for suggestions on the best way to implement something like this. Basically, I need thread A to be able to start a process in thread B by sending a chunk of data, poll thread B's status, and then receive the reply, also as a chunk of data., ideally without any major crashing going on. ^_^ I'll worry about what that data actually contains and how to handle dropped packets, etc later, I just need to get that happening first.
Thanks for any help/advice.
PS: Just thought about this, may make the question simpler. Is there a way to use the windows event handling system to my advantage? Like, would it be possible to have thread A initialize data somewhere, then trigger an event in thread B to have it pick up the data, and vice versa for thread B to tell thread A it was done? That would probably solve a lot of my problems, since I don't really need both threads to be able to work on the data at the same time, more of a baton pass really. I just don't know if this is possible between two different threads. (I know one thread can create its own messages for the event handler.)
The easiest thing
for you to do, would be to simply invoke the windows API QueueUserWorkItem. All you have to specify is the function that the thread will execute and the input passed to it. A thread pool will be automatically created for you and the jobs executed in it. New threads will be created as and when is required.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms684957(VS.85).aspx
More Control
You could have a more detailed control using another set of API's which can again manage the thread pool for you -
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms686980(VS.85).aspx
Do it yourself
If you want to control all aspects of your thread creation and the pool management you would have to create the threads yourself, decide how they should end , how many to create etc (beginthreadex is the api you should be using to create threads. If you use MFC you should use AfxBeginThread function).
Send jobs to worker threads - Io completion Ports
In this case, you would also have to worry about how to communicate your jobs - i would recommend IoCOmpletionPorts to do that. It is the most scalable notification mechanism that i currently know of made for this purpose. It has the additional advantage that it is implemented in the kernel so you avoid all kinds of dead loack sitautions you would encounter if you decide to handroll something yourself.
This article will show you how with code samples -
http://blogs.msdn.com/larryosterman/archive/2004/03/29/101329.aspx
Communicate Back - Windows Messages
You could use windows messages to communicate the status back to your parent thread since it is doing the message wait anyway. use the PostMessage function to do this. (and check for errors)
ps : You could also allocate the data that needs to be sent out on a dedicated pointer and then the worker thread could take care of deleting it after sending it out. That way you avoid the return pointer traffic too.
BlodBath's suggestion of non-blocking sockets is potentially the right approach.
If you're trying to avoid using a multithreaded approach, then you could investigate the use of setting up overlapped I/O on your sockets. They will not block when you do a transmit or receive, but have the added bonus of giving you the option of waiting for multiple events within your single event loop. When your transmit has finished, you will receive an event. (see this for some details)
This is not incompatible with a multithreaded approach, so there's the option of changing your mind later. ;-)
On the design of your multithreaded app. the best thing to do is to work out all of the external activities that you want to be alerted to. For example, so far in your question you've listed network transmits, network receives, and user activity.
Depending on the number of concurrent connections you're going to be dealing with you'll probably find it conceptually simpler to have a thread per socket (assuming small numbers of sockets), where each thread is responsible for all of the processing for that socket.
Then you can implement some form of messaging system between your threads as RC suggested.
Arrange your system so that when a message is sent to a particular thread and event is also sent. Your threads can then be sent to sleep waiting for one of those events. (as well as any other stimulus - like socket events, user events etc.)
You're quite right that you need to be careful of situations where more than one thread is trying to access the same piece of memory. Mutexes and semaphores are the things to use there.
Also be aware of the limitations that your gui has when it comes to multithreading.
Some discussion on the subject can be found in this question.
But the abbreviated version is that most (and Windows is one of these) GUIs don't allow multiple threads to perform GUI operations simultaneously. To get around this problem you can make use of the message pump in your application, by sending custom messages to your gui thread to get it to perform gui operations.
I suggest looking into non-blocking sockets for the quick fix. Using non-blocking sockets send() and recv() do not block, and using the select() function you can get any waiting data every frame.
See it as a producer-consumer problem: when receiving, your network communication thread is the producer whereas the UI thread is the consumer. When sending, it's just the opposite. Implement a simple buffer class which gives you methods like push and pop (pop should be blocking for the network thread and non-blocking for the UI thread).
Rather than using the Windows event system, I would prefer something that is more portable, for example Boost condition variables.
I don't code games, but I've used a system similar to what pukku suggested. It lends nicely to doing things like having the buffer prioritize your messages to be processed if you have such a need.
I think of them as mailboxes per thread. You want to send a packet? Have the ProcessThread create a "thread message" with the payload to go on the wire and "send" it to the NetworkThread (i.e. push it on the NetworkThread's queue/mailbox and signal the condition variable of the NetworkThread so he'll wake up and pull it off). When the NetworkThread receives the response, package it up in a thread message and send it back to the ProcessThread in the same manner. Difference is the ProcessThread won't be blocked on a condition variable, just polling on mailbox.empty( ) when you want to check for the response.
You may want to push and pop directly, but a more convenient way for larger projects is to implement a toThreadName, fromThreadName scheme in a ThreadMsg base class, and a Post Office that threads register their Mailbox with. The PostOffice then has a send(ThreadMsg*); function that gets/pushes the messages to the appropriate Mailbox based on the to and from. Mailbox (the buffer/queue class) contains the ThreadMsg* = receiveMessage(), basically popping it off the underlying queue.
Depending on your needs, you could have ThreadMsg contain a virtual function process(..) that could be overridden accordingly in derived classes, or just have an ordinary ThreadMessage class with a to, from members and a getPayload( ) function to get back the raw data and deal with it directly in the ProcessThread.
Hope this helps.
Some topics you might be interested in:
mutex: A mutex allows you to lock access to specific resources for one thread only
semaphore: A way to determine how many users a certain resource still has (=how many threads are accessing it) and a way for threads to access a resource. A mutex is a special case of a semaphore.
critical section: a mutex-protected piece of code (street with only one lane) that can only be travelled by one thread at a time.
message queue: a way of distributing messages in a centralized queue
inter-process communication (IPC) - a way of threads and processes to communicate with each other through named pipes, shared memory and many other ways (it's more of a concept than a special technique)
All topics in bold print can be easily looked up on a search engine.