Since I've been studying OpenGL, I've been running into a bit of dilemma: while I have a good video card which supports GL 4.3 (nVidia GTX 550 ti model), my laptop is running off of integrated graphics (Intel HD 3000, from an i5-2410M to be exact), which runs version 3.1. I have no idea if this card is even capable of supporting OpenGL 3.2.
Either way, if it turns out that a driver update is all that's needed for core i3/i5 processors to support OpenGL 3.2+, I'm still not sure where I should look or what exactly I need to pay attention to in order support between 3.x and 4.x.
For example, AFAIK GLSL 1.4 doesn't support a shader which uses the layout(location=x) in blah blah feature. But, does GLSL 1.5?
What about preprocessor directives in C/C++ as well as GLSL which I can use to distinguish between what features work with what? Or, is it more recommended (in either GLSL's or C/C++'s case) to just write completely separate header/source/shader files which take care of this?
Since I only plan to be supporting 3.x to 4.x, I know this should be simpler than it very well could be.
Update
After a recent driver update on my laptop, it turns out that, as Nicol Bolas also stated, there currently is not (and likely won't ever be) any support for 3.2 on Intel 3000 cards. Therefore, to make this question simpler, I'd like to know what shading language features (be it in an answer or an external URL) I can and cannot implement on version 3.1 in comparison to 3.3 and above. Any OpenGL specific C/C++ features/functions which pertain to this would also be appreciated.
My goal is to basically be able to know what I have to do in order to mediate between the project I'm working on (which is currently using a GL 4.0 context) to be compatible with a 3.1 context.
If anything is still unclear I'll update accordingly. Thanks.
What I usually do is check out the latest header at the OpenGL registry called glcorearb.h. It has a list of every function definition from 1.0 onwards, broken up with defines labeling the respective versions in which they were introduced (and eligible for).
I'm not 100% sure of where to get GLSL information, but they do keep the specifications for older releases, so you may be able to compare the latest to the older ones for that.
Edit: Corrected wrong link.
Check the spec and this for preprocessor directives and such.
Does this help?
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For my Application I need a renderer. The renderer uses the OpenGL 3.3 core profile as a basic. In newer OpenGL versions, there are some neat features, which are also available via extensions. If available I want to use newer features, based on the newest OpenGL version. Since it's a mess to test for available versions and adjust the loader, I decided to remain at core 3.3 and use extensions where available (as this are extensions for, right?).
Are Extensions as fast as the same funcionality in newer OpenGL versions?
Let's take the GL_ARB_direct_state_access-extension. It's available in core since 4.5 via Direct State Access. Is the latter faster than the former? I.e. are the functions implemented in newer versions faster than extensions? Or do driver link to the same function anyway?
E: This is not a question about software design rather than about how extensions are handled (mostly?) and about performance.
Actually, the OpenGL API spec XML description has the nice property of alias. A GL function aliasing another one is basically both syntactically and semantically identical to the function it is aliasing - and this feature is used a lot when extension function become promoted to core functionality and have their names changed.
There are GL Loaders out there which actually use that information. Two examples I know of are:
libepoxy
glad2 (glad2 is current in-development branch of the glad loader generator - but I'm using it since 2 years without any issue). You'll have to explicitely enable the aliasing feature. There is also a web service which lets you generate the needed files (note the "aliasing" button on the bottom). Also have a look at the GLAD documentation.
With such a loader, you do not have to care about whether a particular function comes from an extension or from the GL core functionality, you can just use them if they are available somehow.
Also note that with newer extensions, the OpenGL ARB more often is creating ARB extensions without the ARB suffix on the function and enum names, which means that it is describing the exact same entities in any case. This is basically done for extensions which were created after the features were incorporated into the core standard. They just create an extension for it so that a vendor, who might not be able to fulfill some other requirement of the new standard version, is still available to provide the isoltated feature.
One of the first examples of this was the GL_ARB_sync extension, which itself relates to this fact in issue #13:
13) Why don't the entry points/enums have ARB appended?
This functionality is going directly into the OpenGL 3.2 core
and also being defined as an extension for older > platforms at
the same time, so it does not use ARB suffixes, like other such
new features going directly into the GL core.
You wrote :
Let's take the GL_ARB_direct_state_access-extension. It's available in core since 4.5 via Direct State Access. Is the latter faster than the former? I.e. are the functions implemented in newer versions faster than extensions? Or do driver link to the same function anyway?
GL_ARB_direct_state_access falls into the same category as GL_ARB_sync. The GL functions are identified by name, and two entities having the same name means that they are referencing the very same thing. (You can't export two different functions with the same name in a library, and *glGetProcAddress also takes only the name string as input, so it can't decide which version you wanted if there were more than one).
However, it will still depend on your GL loading meachanism how this situation is dealt with, because it might not attempt on loading functions which are not implied by the GL version you got. glad2 for example will just work if you choose it to generate a >= 4.5 loader or to support the GL_ARB_direct_state_access extension.
Since it's a mess to test for available versions and adjust the loader, [...]
Well. That will greatly depend on the loader you are using. As I have shown, there are already options which will basically jsut work, not only in the case of absolute identical function names, but also with aliased functions.
Are Extensions as fast as the same funcionality in newer OpenGL
versions
An extension is sort of a preview of the feature. Many (most?) extensions are included in the standard when a new version arrives, so performance will be equal.
You should look at your target platform(s).
When I run OpenGL Extensions Viewer it tells that my HD3000 supports all features up to 3.1, 70% of 3.2 / 3.3 and 21% of 4.0.
So you can check in advance if the feature you need is implemented on your target platform(s) with the hardware and drivers you want to use. Most recent hardware will support 4.4 / 4.5 because it's been around for years. It's up to you how much you value backwards compatibility.
When I look at Intel graphics since Skylake and beyond it supports 4.4, Skylake is around since 08/2015. All AMD/NVidia hardware will also support 4.4 / 4.5. Note that the support level may very between OS and driver versions.
I have an OpenGL 4.5 capable GPU and I wish to test if my application runs on an OpenGL 4.3 capable system. Can I set my GPU to use OpenGL 4.3?
Can you forcibly limit your OpenGL implementation to a specific version? No. Implementations are permitted to give you any version which is 100% compatible with the one you asked for. And 4.5 is compatible with 4.3.
However, using the right OpenGL loading library, you can forcibly limit your header. Several libraries allow you to generate version-specific headers, which will provide APIs and enums for just that version and nothing else. And any extensions you wish to use.
I'm having concern about my code which was developed with OpenGL 3.3 hardware level support in mind. However I would like to use certain extesntions, and want to make sure they all require OpenGL version 3.3 or lower before I use them. Let take an example, ARB_draw_indirect. It says that "OpengGL 3.1 is required", however there is according to this document which seems to also state that the extension is not available in 3.3. The problem here is that both of my dev machines have hardware support for 4.5, which means that everything works, including those features that requires OpenGL 4.x. So I would like to know how can I test 3.3 compatibility without having to purchase 3.3 class graphic card? To put it simple, my dev hardware is too powerful compare to what I plan to support, and thus not sure how to test my code.
EDIT: On a related note, there is EXT_direct_state_access extension, and DSA is in the OpenGL 4.5 core profile. The main difference is EXT suffix in function names. Suppose that I want to stick to OpenGL 3.3 support, should I use function names with EXT suffix? Example: TextureParameteriEXT( ) vs TextureParameteri( )
When looking at the versions, it sounds like you're mixing up two aspects. To make this clearer, there are typically two main steps in adding new functionality to OpenGL:
An extension is defined. It can be used on implementations that support the specific extension. When you use it, the entry points will have EXT, ARB, or a vendor name as part of their name.
For some extensions, it is later decided that they should become core functionality. Sometimes the new core functionality might be exactly like the extension, sometimes it might get tweaked while being promoted to core functionality. Once it's core functionality, the entry points will look like any other OpenGL entry point, without any special pre-/postfix.
Now, if you look at an extension specification, and you see:
OpengGL 3.1 is required
This refers to step 1 above. Somebody defined an extension, and says that the extension is based on OpenGL 3.1. So any OpenGL implementation that supports at least version 3.1 can provide support for this extension. It is still an extension, which means it's optional. To use it, you need to:
Have at least OpenGL 3.1.
Test that the extension is available.
Use the EXT/ARB/vendor prefix/postfix in the entry points.
It most definitely does not mean that the functionality is part of core OpenGL 3.1.
If somebody says:
DSA is in the OpenGL 4.5 core profile
This refers to step 2 above. The functionality originally defined in the DSA extension was promoted to core functionality in 4.5. To use this core functionality, you need to:
Have at least OpenGL 4.5.
Not use the EXT/ARB/vendor prefix/postfix in the entry points.
Once an extension is core functionality in the OpenGL version you are targeting, this is typically what you should do. So in this case, you do not use the prefix/postfix anymore.
Making sure that you're only using functionality from your targeted OpenGL version is not as simple as you'd think. Creating an OpenGL context of this version is often not sufficient. Implementations can, and often do, give you a context that supports a higher version. Your specified version is treated as a minimum, not as the exact version you get.
If you work on a platform that requires extension loaders (Windows, Linux), I believe there are some extension loaders that let you generate header files for a specific OpenGL version. That's probably you best option. Other than that, you need to check the specs to verify that the calls you want to use are available in the version you're targeting.
I'm a bit confused about new OpenGL extensions, what hardware they require and what OpenGL version they require.
In particular it's about the ARB_shader_image_load_store now.
http://www.opengl.org/registry/specs/ARB/shader_image_load_store.txt
As I understand, this is a feature of OpenGL 4.2 but in the OpenGL dependencies it's written:
This extension is written against the OpenGL 3.2 specification
(Compatibility Profile).
This extension is written against version 1.50 (revision 09) of the OpenGL
Shading Language Specification.
OpenGL 3.0 and GLSL 1.30 are required.
and further down stuff like
This extension interacts trivially with OpenGL 4.0 and ARB_sample_shading.
What do these things mean? What Hardware and what OpenGL version is necessary to use such Extensions?
What do these things mean?
Well, let's take them one by one.
Before we begin, some basic information. OpenGL specifications, whether core or extension, do not care about what hardware something runs on. They're not interested in that. They don't define hardware. You can't look at an extension spec and know a priori what hardware it will function on. If you want to find that information out, you're looking in the wrong place.
Furthermore, you have to understand something about extension specifications. An OpenGL extension is like a diff; you can't read it in isolation. An OpenGL extension is a document that modifies the OpenGL specification.
This extension is written against the OpenGL 3.2 specification
(Compatibility Profile).
This extension is written against version 1.50 (revision 09) of the OpenGL
Shading Language Specification.
A diff file is utterly useless unless you know exactly what file to patch it into, yes? That's the same thing with OpenGL. The extension specification will make references to section and paragraph numbers in the OpenGL specification. But... there are many versions of the OpenGL specification. Which one is it talking about?
Therefore, every extension must state which physical document it is referring to. So when this extension says, "Add a new subsection after Section 2.14.5, Samplers, p. 106", it means page 106, section 2.14.5 of the OpenGL 3.2 specification, compatibility profile.
Same goes for the GLSL language specification.
OpenGL 3.0 and GLSL 1.30 are required.
Now, just because an extension is written against a particular version does not mean that this is the minimum version where support for the extension is possible. An implementation could theoretically support it in an earlier version.
This statement says what the minimum version that can possibly support it is.
This is not a matter of hardware; it is a matter of language. The reason 3.0 is the minimum is because this extension refers to concepts that are simply not available in 2.1. Such as integer image formats and so forth. We'll talk a bit more about this in the next part.
This extension interacts with X.
The "interacts with" statement speaks to optional parts of the specification. What it means is that if "X" and this extension are both supported, then certain paragraphs in this specification also exist.
For example, ARB_shader_image_load_store states, "This extension interacts with ARB_separate_shader_objects". If you look towards the bottom, you will find a section titled "Dependencies on ARB_separate_shader_objects". That lists the specific language that changes when ARB_separate_shader_objects is available.
The "interacts trivially with X" statement simply means that the interaction is generally a "remove references to X" statement. For example, the section on ARB_tessellation_shader/4.0 dependencies state, "If OpenGL 4.0 and ARB_tessellation_shader are not supported, references to tessellation control and evaluation shaders should be removed."
The "trivially" language is just the extension's way of saying, "if X isn't supported, then obviously any references to the stuff X implements should be ignored."
The interaction with ARB_separate_shader_objects isn't trivial because it involves redefining how early depth test works.
The "interacts with" is an alternative to the "are required" wording. The ARB could have simply written it against 4.1 and firmly stated that 4.1 is required. Then there wouldn't have been nearly as many "interacts with" clauses, since none of those things are optional.
However, the ARB wanted to allow for the possibility of hardware that could support GL 3.0 concepts but not others. For example, in the mobile space, shader_image_load_store support could come before tessellation_shaders. That's why this extension has a lot of "interacts with" clauses and a fairly low "required" GL version. Despite the fact that on desktops, you will not find any implementation of ARB_shader_image_load_store paired with a version number less than 4.0.
What Hardware and what OpenGL version is necessary to use such Extensions?
None of these documents will tell you that. ARB_shader_image_load_store could be available on any implementation version 3.0 or greater.
The easiest and simplest way to find out what hardware supports what extensions is to use the OpenGL Viewer. It has a pretty up-to-date database of this information.
Alternatively, you can use some common sense. ARB_separate_shader_objects allows you to mix and match programs on the fly. This is something D3D has been doing since Direct3D 8. Obviously hardware could do it since shaders came into being; OpenGL simply didn't let you. Until now.
Obviously ARB_separate_shader_objects is not hardware-based.
Similarly ARB_shading_language_pack420 contains many features that D3D has had since forever. Again, there's clearly nothing there that requires specialized hardware support.
ARB_tessellation_shader is obviously something that does require specialized hardware support. It introduces two new shaders stages. ARB_shader_image_load_store is the same way: it introduces a fundamental new hardware ability. Now, it is certainly possible that earlier hardware could have done it. But that seems unlikely.
This isn't always the case for every extension. But it is mostly true.
The other thing you should know about is OpenGL version numbers. Since 3.0, the ARB has been good about keeping to a strict version numbering scheme.
Major versions represent fundamental hardware changes. 3.x to 4.x is directly equivalent to D3D10 to D3D11. Minor versions are either making the API nicer (see ARB_texture_storage, something we were long overdue for) or exposing previously unexposed hardware features for the same hardware level (ARB_shader_image_load_store could have been implemented on any 4.0 implementation, but the ARB just took until 4.2 to write the extension).
So if you have hardware that can run 3.0, it can also run 3.3; if it doesn't have drivers for it, then your driver maker isn't doing their job. Same goes for 4.0 to 4.2.
These things mean how to correctly read extension specification. To read specification you must know how extension interacts with other OpenGL features. And by saying "extension interacts trivially with OpenGL 4.0", it means you must thing of core OpenGL 4.0 feature ARB_sample_shading, and how this extension changes its behaviour.
Because it is in OpenGL Core 4.2 specification, ARB_shader_image_load_store should be supported on all Shader Model 5 / Direct3D11 hardware (Radeon HD5xxx and up, GeForce 400 and up).
So you can check if your OpenGL version is >=4.2 or check ARB_shader_image_load_store extension presence.
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Which version of OpenGL to use?
I have been wanting to learn a 3d graphics language for some time now and I have finally decided to learn OpenGL.
However, I work on a Mac and officially this highest version of OpenGL for mac is 2.1 but it can support 3.3 unofficially through tests that I have done.
I would like to develop applications that would work on multiple platforms but what version would be the best to learn?
A good compromise between portability and still learning the "modern OpenGL way", is roughly "the OpenGL ES 2.0 subset of OpenGL 2.1". That gives you portability to
OSX, as you mention
Windows, obviously
Linux with open source drivers (for higher OpenGL versions and better performance you need the proprietary drives which you might prefer anyway, but some people like to avoid those)
Smartphone platforms like iOS and Android.
OpenGL 1.x is even more portable (e.g. older iOS and Android releases support only OpenGL ES 1.x) but the classical fixed-function programming model is somewhat different than the modern one based on buffer objects and shaders, and use of immediate mode easily leads to performance issues when rendering lots of vertices. So probably not worth it, IMHO.
My recommendation would be to learn no less than version 3.2. If 3.3 is supported (even unofficially), go for that.
OpenGL 3.3 is already rather "last generation" than "bleeding edge". You have to search hard to find a card that does not support OpenGL 3.3, and you get 4.x capable cards in the $30 range.
Under version 2.x, you must go through a lot of pain to ensure that even the most basic functionality that you use every day is available, and you end up writing two or three code paths depending on what extension you must use and on what some limit is.
Under version 3.3, most features that you want to use every day are core (guaranteed standard), and most limits have a guaranteed minimum value that is enough for most things anyway. The features that are not core in 3.3 are few (and you won't die if you don't have them), and you can pretty much just plug them in optionally if they're there, and forget about them if they aren't.
There is a huge change in paradigms between 2.1 and 3.3 (which you will have to re-learn later if you start with 2.x first!), and there are notable changes in GLSL between 3.1 and 3.2 which make writing shader code that works for both an ordeal, or impossible.
Upwards of version 3.2, everything is smooth. New features are available or they aren't... use them or don't... but you can in principle write one piece of code to run on all versions.
If your goal is maximum interoperability, I would rather take a look at WebGL, or it's close relative, OpenGL ES. The concepts of OpenGL ES (at least in the 2.0 version) are quite close to those of OpenGL 4 (buffer-based data transfer, universal shaders etc.).
I think that by learning 2.1 you would learn some outdated concepts you will soon have to re-learn, like the direct mode, or rather the whole fixed-function pipeline which was pruned in later versions.
You can safely start learning the 3.x too, as you will learn the current concepts and features. Do not worry about the "officially supported" version.