I have a question about VBO's. Let's say just as an example I'm trying to build a voxel style engine that makes even a 16x16x16 chunk.
Do I store the map information in the VBO? How do I get the verticies for a cube? The way I'm thinking about it, the VBO would require 24 vector3 variables (vectors for each cube at each location). That seems like a lot.
is there some way to have a single 'cube' VBO template, then somehow change the coordinates for each cube I want to draw, calling the template (i hope that makes sense) and using bufferdata to update that template for every location, do I have to actually store those 24 vectors for every single location in the 16x16x16, or would I just store the map coordinates, then have the cube and polygons drawn through a shader?
I hope that makes sense. it seems expensive memory wise loading up something that stores 24 vectors per location, and it seems resource intensive to me calling bufferdata 16x16x16 times per frame... so the last option using the vertex shader seems the most viable, but I'm new to shaders so is something like that possible?
What is the most common method used?
Geometry shaders can, indeed, emit multiple primitives for a single input primitive. So drawing all 6 faces of a cube from a single input point is certainly possible. Though for "voxel" engines you might be better served by point sprites, as often the orientation of the cube isn't useful. A point sprite draws a single screen-aligned quad from an input point. Beyond that you'll need to be more specific about what you're doing.
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I'm currently struggling with finding a good approach to render many (thousands) slightly different models. The model itself is a simple cube with some vertex offset, think of a skewed quad face. Each 'block' has a different offset of its vertices, so basically I have a voxel engine on steroids as each block is not a perfect cube but rather a skewed cuboid. To render this shape 48 vertices are needed but can be cut to 24 vertices as only 3 faces are visible. With indexing we are at 12 vertices (4 for each face).
But, now that I have the vertices for each block in the world, how do I render them?
What I've tried:
Instanced Rendering. Sounds good, doesn't work as my models are not the same.
I could simplify distant blocks to a cube and render them with glDrawArraysInstanced/glDrawElementsInstanced.
Put everything in one giant VBO. This has a better performance than rendering each cube individually, but has the downside of having one large mesh. This is not desireable as I need every cube to have different textures, lighting, etc... Selecting a single cube within that huge mesh is not possible.
I am aware of frustum culling and occlusion culling, but I already have problems with some cubes in front of me (tested with a 128x128 world).
My requirements:
Draw some thousand models.
Each model has vertices offsets to make the block less cubic, stored in another VBO.
Each block has to be an individual object, as you should be able to place/remove blocks.
Any good performance advices?
This is not desireable as I need every cube to have different textures, lighting, etc... Selecting a single cube within that huge mesh is not possible.
Programmers should avoid declaring that something is "impossible"; it limits your thinking.
Giving each face of these cubes different textures has many solutions. The Minecraft approach uses texture atlases. Each "texture" is really just a sub-section of one large texture, and you use texture coordinates to select which sub-section a particular face uses. But you can get more complex.
Array textures allow for a more direct way to solve this problem. Here, the texture coordinates would be the same, but you use a per-vertex integer to select the correct texture for a face. All of the vertices for a particular face would have an index. And if you're clever, you don't even really need texture coordinates. You can generate them in your vertex shader, based on per-vertex values like gl_VertexID and the like.
Lighting parameters would work the same way: use some per-vertex data to select parameters from a UBO or SSBO.
As for the "individual object" bit, that's merely a matter of how you're thinking about the problem. Do not confuse what happens in the player's mind with what happens in your code. Games are an elaborate illusion; just because something appears to the user to be an "individual object" doesn't mean it is one to your rendering engine.
What you need is the ability to modify your world's data to remove and add new blocks. And if you need to show a block as "selected" or something, then you simply need another per-block value (like the lighting parameters and index for the texture) which tells you whether to draw it as a "selected" block or as an "unselected" one. Or you can just redraw that specific selected block. There are many ways of handling it.
Any decent graphics card (since about 2010) is able to render a few millions vertices in a blinking.
The approach is different depending on how many changes per frame. In other words, how many data must be transferred to the GPU per frame.
For the case of small number of changes, storing the data in one big VBO or many smaller VBOs (and their VAOs), sending the changes by uniforms, and calling several glDraw***, shows similar performance. Different hardwares behave with little difference. Indexed data may improve the speed.
When most of the data changes in every frame and these changes are hard or impossible to do in the shaders, then your app is memory-transfer bound. Streaming is a good advise.
I'm trying to use modern OpenGL and shaders, instead of the immediate mode I have been using so far. I recently learned about VBOs and VAO, and I'm still trying to get my head round them, but I know that a VBO takes an array of floats that are vertices, which it then passes to the GPU etc
What is the best way to draw multiple objects (which are all identical) but in different positions, using VBOs. Will I have to draw one, then modify the array passed in beforehand, and then draw it again and modify and draw and modify and so on... for all blocks in the screen every frame? Or is there a better way?
I'm trying to achieve this: http://imgur.com/cBgJ0sK
Any help is appreciated - I don't want to learn bad (deprecated, old) immediate mode habits, when I could be learning a more modern way!
You should not modify the vertices in your program, that should be done in the shaders. For this, you will create a matrix that represents the transformation and will use that matrix in the vertex shader.
The main idea is:
You create a VAO holding the information of your VBO (vertices, normals, texture coordinates, tangent information, etc.)
Then, for every different object, you generate a model matrix that holds the information of the position, orientation and scale (and other homogeneous tranformations) and send that to your shader to make the transformations.
The idea is that you bind your VAO just once and then draw all the different objects just sending the information that change (model matrix, may be textures) and draw the objects.
To learn about how to use the model matrix, read tutorials like this:
http://ogldev.atspace.co.uk/www/tutorial06/tutorial06.html
There are even better ways to do this, but you can start from here.
Other information that would be good for your case is using instancing.
http://ogldev.atspace.co.uk/www/tutorial33/tutorial33.html
Later, you can move on indirect drawing for even better performance. Later...
I'm making a small 2D game demo and from what I've read, it's better to use drawElements() to draw an indexed triangle list than using drawArrays() to draw an unindexed triangle list.
But it doesn't seem possible as far as I know to draw multiple elements that are not connected in a single draw call with drawElements().
So for my 2D game demo where I'm only ever going to draw squares made of two triangles, what would be the best approach so I don't end having one draw call per object?
Yes, it's better to use indices in many cases since you don't have to store or transfer duplicate vertices and you don't have to process duplicate vertices (vertex shader only needs to be run once per vertex). In the case of quads, you reduce 6 vertices to 4, plus a small amount of index data. Two thirds is quite a good improvement really, especially if your vertex data is more than just position.
In summary, glDrawElements results in
Less data (mostly), which means more GPU memory for other things
Faster updating if the data changes
Faster transfer to the GPU
Faster vertex processing (no duplicates)
Indexing can affect cache performance, if the reference vertices that aren't near each other in memory. Modellers commonly produce meshes which are optimized with this in mind.
For multiple elements, if you're referring to GL_TRIANGLE_STRIP you could use glPrimitiveRestartIndex to draw multiple strips of triangles with the one glDrawElements call. In your case it's easy enough to use GL_TRIANGLES and reference 4 vertices with 6 indices for each quad. Your vertex array then needs to store all the vertices for all your quads. If they're moving you still need to send that data to the GPU every frame. You could position all the moving quads at the front of the array and only update the active ones. You could also store static vertex data in a separate array.
The typical approach to drawing a 3D model is to provide a list of fixed vertices for the geometry and move the whole thing with the model matrix (as part of the model-view). The confusing part here is that the mesh data is so small that, as you say, the overhead of the draw calls may become quite prominent. I think you'll have to draw a LOT of quads before you get to the stage where it'll be a problem. However, if you do, instancing or some similar idea such as particle systems is where you should look.
Perhaps only go down the following track if the draw calls or data transfer becomes a problem as there's a lot involved. A good way of implementing particle systems entirely on the GPU is to store instance attributes such as position/colour in a texture. Each frame you use an FBO/render-to-texture to "ping-pong" this data between another texture and update the attributes in a fragment shader. To draw the particles, you can set up a static VBO which stores quads with the attribute-data texture coordinates for use in the vertex shader where the particle position can be read and applied. I'm sure there's a bunch of good tutorials/implementations to follow out there (please comment if you know of a good one).
I have a textured polygon mesh that I plan to be move-able based on the user's various inputs.
For example: the user can move the vertices in various directions. But the number of vertices and the texture coordinates will always be constant.
Is this a good situation to use GL_STATIC_DRAW, or should i use something else, like GL_STREAM_DRAW?
Instead of updating a VBO every time the vertices are moved, I would suggest using transformations. With transformations, you can create a matrix that can translate, rotate, or scale the vertices by simply multiplying the transformation matrix by the position vector. This multiplication can be done on the graphics card with a GLSL shader. Using this method, your vertex buffer would never have to change.
I would suggest reading this article for more information on how to use transformations in OpenGL: https://open.gl/transformations
No, your situation is not a good case to use GL_STATIC_DRAW. As h4lcOn's link suggests you should use dynamic or stream. Though if I understand correctly what you are trying to do I wouldn't even use VBO at all. There will not be much overhead (if any at all) if you push the coordinates every draw call for a simple polygon. Use a VBO in cases when you have a large quantity of polygons or when you make large amount of draw calls with the same vertex data in a single frame.
I'm doing a 2D turn based RTS game with 32x32 tiles (400-500 tiles per frame). I could use a VBO for this, but I may have to change almost all the VBO data each frame, as the background is a scrolling one and the visible tiles will change every time the map scrolls. Will using VBOs rather than client side vertex arrays still yield a performance benefit here? Also if using VBOs which data format is most efficient (float, or int16, or ...)?
If you are simply scrolling, you can use the vertex shader to manipulate the position rather than update the vertices themselves. Pass in a 'scroll' value as a uniform to your background and simply add that value to the x (or y, or whatever applies to your case) value of each vertex.
Update:
If you intend to modify the VBO often, you can tell the driver this using the usage param of glBufferData. This page has a good description of how that works: http://www.opengl.org/wiki/Vertex_Buffer_Object, under Accessing VBOs. In your case, it looks like you should specify GL_DYNAMIC_DRAW to glBufferData so that the driver puts your VBO in the best place in memory for your application.
The regular approach is to move the camera and perform culling instead of updating the content of the VBOs. For a 2d game culling will use simple rectangle intersection algorithm, which you will need anyway for unit selection in the game. As a bonus, manipulating the camera will allow to rate the camera and zoom in and zoom out. Also you could combine several tiles (4, 9 or 16) into one VBO.
I would strongly advise against writing logic to move the tiles instead of the camera. It will take you longer, have more bugs, and be less flexible.
The format will depend on what data you are storing in the VBOs. When in doubt, just use uint8 for color and float32 for everything else. Though for a 2d game your VBOs or vertex array are going to be very small compared to 3d applications, so it's highly unlikely VBO will make any difference.