I've gone through the Ring/Enlive tutorials. I'm trying to pick up the rest of the Clojure webstack by learning how to use Google Closure with Clojure. So far, I have the Google Closure book (but haven't read it yet). What are the good resources for learning the Clojure/Closure webstack?
Thanks!
if you want to use clojure on the client (clojurescript) too (and it probably makes sense to do so, because it has very tight integration with closure) then you need to download + play with clojurescript one.
it's a complete example (server + client) that you can pull apart and play with.
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Suppose I wanted to find the sin/cos function. In haskell, I would fire up https://www.haskell.org/hoogle/ , search for "sin" or "cos", read the type signature, and be done.
In Clojure, it seems the best I can do so far (for functions not in clojure.core) is to fire up google, and type in "clojure sin" or "clojure cos" -- then get a package about Quil/sin and Quil/cos -- and wonder
2a. What is this Quil package?
2b. Do I want to pull in this package just to get sin/cos?
2c. Is there a "more standard" package that also provides sin/cos ?
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Thus, my question, for functions where you almost certainly know the 'type signature' (which I recognize does not exist in clojure) or 'common name', what is the standard way to figure out "what common package do most clojureists use to get this function" ?
Besides googling, don't forget to look at these sites:
Clojure Cheatsheet (I am always (re-)discovering new built-in functions I had somehow missed before)
http://www.clojure-toolbox.com/
https://crossclj.info/
When googling, also try out this trick when entering terms in the search window:
clojure parse site:github.com
It restricts your search terms ("clojure" & "parse") to the URL you choose (in this case "github.com"), which can be quite handy sometimes. Google is nearly always much better than a site's built-in search engine.
UPDATE:
This book helped me a lot:
I have found https://clojuredocs.org/ to be very valuable to find examples of how to use a particular functions of clojure.core. There is http://clojure.github.io/ for "blessed" utilities.
Otherwise, your question does not seems very specific to Clojure. As you guessed, using google is probably a good start.
So I would say google for what you are looking for, then if you have several alternatives use any heuristics you want (count stars on github, number of downloads on clojars, ask other clojurists what they think - there is a great slack channel at http://clojurians.net/).
https://crossclj.info/ is a great site that allows you to search Clojure code in the wild. I found it invaluable to get inspiration.
There are some libraries repositories, although I tend not to use those:
http://www.clojure-toolbox.com/
https://github.com/razum2um/awesome-clojure
http://clojure.org/community/libraries (not the github search trick at the bottom)
http://blog.takipi.com/the-top-100-clojure-libraries-in-2016-after-analyzing-30000-dependencies/ (I find it amazing that clojurescript is "just" a Clojure library)
http://clojurewerkz.org/ and https://funcool.github.io/organization/ both have a nice set of libraries
Beginner here.
Can I compile an existing Clojure script to run it on the web using ClojureScript?
Let's say that I have a script that prints Hello world in my terminal, and I want to print that text on the browser. Should I rewrite a whole script with ClojureScript syntax, or should I just compile it using another compiler?
(ns clojure-hello-world.core
(:gen-class))
(defn -main [& args]
(println "Hello World"))
(Long answer :P)
Even though Clojure and ClojureScript share a good amount of features, there are some that are specific to one or the other. For example there are no real classes in JavaScript so the :gen-class specification in the ns form doesn't make much sense.
One important fact is that the syntax of both Clojure and ClojureScript is exactly the same, differences have to do mostly with the host VM in which they run (Java VM in the case of Clojure and JavaScript VM in the case of ClojureScript).
There is a list of the differences between the two Clojure implementations here.
There's also a tool called cljx to "write a portable codebase targeting Clojure/ClojureScript". Recently there has been some discussion on the Clojure Dev group around finally implementing feature expressions which would on one hand deprecate the use of cljx but on the other complicate the work that tools have to do to extract information from Clojure source files.
I would start with lein-cljsbuild to get started. This will get you going with a nice edit eval and look at browser loop. It's well worth getting this setup first because it makes learning ClojureScript much more fun. I promise it's worth the hassle. If you need more interactive support the folks in #clojure on freenode are very kind and helpful.
Basically, the Browser executes JavaScript. You compile your ClojureScript code to JavaScript. The Browser loads your JavaScript via an HTML page. So, you have to create an HTML Page and point your Browser at it.
The simplest way I got started was to use Luminous (http://www.luminusweb.net/docs/clojurescript.md).
However, Chestnut (https://github.com/plexus/chestnut) looks promising.
I've recently been reading up on Clojure webstack. I've gone through ring/enlive. Now, I need to learn about Google Closure / the Clojure bindings: https://github.com/levand/domina
However, I can't find a good domina tutorial anywhere. Is there a website that provides a guided tour for building web apps in domina?
(I'm familiar with Clojure + Java GUI -- the main thing I need is to learn how to build web apps.)
Thanks!
Before learning Domina you will need to learn ClojureScript. Check out : ClojureScriptOne
Note: I'm a backend (Java) developer by trade and work in Clojure in my spare time, so forgive me for my ignorance.
I'm trying to get my head around Clojurescript and how it could potentially fit in with projects I'm working on, or plan to work on in the future. As I've grown up with the "classic" web development mindset (e.g. Clojure running the backend, distributing data to the frontend via JSON to be processed in JS or returning a HTML page for the browser to render), I'm having trouble trying to understand how Clojurescript might make things better than this model.
Could anyone explain to me what the general approach to Clojurescript/Clojure development would be, seeing as the "Clojurescript One" project moniker signifies that application development will be unified under one language (as such)
What tasks would normally be done in the Clojurescript portion of the application?
What tasks would normally be done in the Clojure (e.g. backend) portion of the application?
Any help would be appreciated, or if anyone can point me towards some diagrams or explanations or anything - that would be great too!
I think Clojure/ClojureScript applications will be structured very similarly to X backend technology + JavaScript.
One big benefit with architecting applications with Clojure and ClojureScript - a richer data format than JSON (you can represent hash-maps and sets with arbitrary keys) without losing compactness.
JavaScript is a fine, fine language but ClojureScript offers quite a few benefits. It's semantically simpler (functional), ships with a rich standard library, a robust battle tested application library (Google Closure), and all the benefits you get from the tasteful application of syntactic abstraction via macros.
That said, it's still very much alpha software and the tooling still needs a lot of work.
A bit of background about me, I have developed with Clojurescript, JQuery, Vaadin, Servlets, JSP, and many other web technologies.
1) Clojurescript is much harder to learn than any other web technology I have used as you need, Java, Clojure, Closure (with an s ;), Closure Lib, and Closurescript specific knowledge.
2) Clojurescript doesn't make sense for a small app. It only makes sense when you will have ALOT of client side processing
3) Clojurescript's only use as far as I see is as a better javascript (which is why it is better suited to larger apps) as the minifier part of Clojurescript is available for javascript too
4) Only the client end would be written in Javascript, the server would be in Clojure/Java servlets
Maybe Ganelon micro-framework (which incidentally I am author of) will suit your needs - the execution model is similiar to Vaadin's: server-side Clojure code pushes UI updates to the browser through AJAX/JavaScript, but we don't store application state in session by default.
The demo and docs are available at http://ganelon.tomeklipski.com/
For me, clojure and clojurescript offers cleaner code than mixed stack. There is only one language to think of and code is quite easy to read.
At the backend clojure does things that java usually would do. Input validation, saving to database and above all, implementing business logic. Our backend also validates incoming / outgoing data by types using prismatic schemas.
Frontend in short: We get pretty code using ClojureScript and it is fast to write. We are using ClojureScript version of material-ui when writing UI components. We have to write less code when compared to the JavaScript and I find our UI component code to be easier to read than JavaScript counterpart. One of the main reasons is shorter closing tags and less noise by coding language. Development with ClojureScript is quite fast.
Of course ClojureScript is used for simple imput validation like RegExp for phone numbers etc.
One of the disadvantages of clojure which you have probably noticed is long lines after giving proper names to the functions. I havent found silver bullet how to cope with that.
As dnolen said: ClojureScript is still developing. It is way better now than it was 6 months ago, so you'll have to keep checking its maturity now and then.
I have a few years experience programming c++ and a little less then that using Qt. I built a data mining software using Qt and I want to make it available online. Unfortunately, I know close to nothing about web programming. Firstly, how easy or hard is this to do and what is the best way to go about it?
Supposing I am looking to hire someone to make me a secure, long-term, extensible, website for an online software service, what skill set should I be looking for?
Edit:
I want to make my question a little more specific:
How can I take a bunch of working c++ functions and port the code so I can run it server side on a website?
Once this is done, would it be easy to make changes to the c++ code and have the algorithm automatically update on the site?
What technologies would be involved? Are there any cloud computing platforms that would be good for something like this?
#Niklaos-what does it mean to build a library and how does one do that?
You might want to have a look at Wt[1]. Its a C++ web framework which is programmed more or less like a desktop GUI application. One of the use cases quoted is to bring legacy apps into the web.
[1] http://www.webtoolkit.eu
Port the functions to Java, easily done from C++, you can even find some tools to help - don't trust them implicitly but they could provide a boost.
See longer answer below.
Wrap them in a web application, and deploy them on Google App-Engine.
Java version of a library would be a jar file.
If you really want to be able to update the algorithm implementation dynamically, then you could implement them in Groovy, and upload changes through a form on your webapp, either as files or as a big text block, need to consider version control.
The effort/skillset involved to perform the task depends on how your wrote your code. If it is in a self-contained library, and has a clean (re-entrant, thread safe) API, you could probably hire a web developer (html/php/asp etc) to write the UI interface to the library for a relatively small cost. The skills required would be dependant on the technologies you wanted to use. For Windows development I would suggest C#/ASP. The applicant would require knowledge of interfacing with native libraries from a managed language. This is assuming that you dont mind the costs of Windows deployment for your application.
On the otherhand, if the library is complex or needs to be re-written to support the extensibility you are looking for, asking here will not get you much.
BTW: here is a great article on Marshalling if you chose to implement using C#/ASP
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc164193.aspx
First, DO NOT USE PHP :D
I used it for some projects (the last one with symphony framework) and i almost shoot my self !
If you are very familiar with C++, ASP .NET could be a good solution because if you like C++ you are going to love C#.
Any ways, I personally use Ruby on Rails for 6 months now and I LOVE IT. I won't write you a book here but the framework is pure gold !
The only problem is that Ruby is a very special language. You will probably be a bit lost a the beginning. But as every one you will learn to love it.
But that was only for the server side. Indeed, there 3 technologies you won't be able to avoid if you want to start to develop web applications.
HTML, CSS and JavaScript are presents every where. This is why i'm thinking you should start by HTML and CSS then JavaScript (with jQuery).
When you've got some basics with these 3 technologies you should be able to choose the server side language.
But you've got to tell you one thing, it's not going to be easy !
PS : Ruby on Rails uses HAML and SASS. These 2 languages replaces HTML and CSS you should have a look at them quickly because they are awesome.