I am rendering array of points with a custom vertex shader.
Shaders looks like:
void mainVP()
in varying int in_vertex_id : VERTEXID
{
foo(in_vertex_id);
}
So the only thing I need - is vertex id.
But I need a lot of vertices and I don't want to store fake VBO for them (it takes around 16mb of memory).
I tried to run my code without binding any VBO. It works.
So my rendering looks like:
size_t num_vertices = ...
glDrawArrays(GL_POINTS, 0, num_vertices);
But can I be sure that rendering without binding VBO is safe?
But can I be sure that rendering without binding VBO is safe?
You can't.
The OpenGL specification's core profile (3.2 and above) clearly states that it should be allowed, that you can render with all attributes disabled. The OpenGL specification's compatibility profile or any versions before 3.2 just as clearly state that you cannot do this.
Of course, that doesn't matter anyway. NVIDIA drivers allow you to do this on any OpenGL version and profile. ATI's drivers don't allow you to do it on any OpenGL version or profile. They're both driver bugs, just in different ways.
You'll just have to accept that you need a dummy vertex attribute. However:
But I need a lot of vertices and I don't want to store fake VBO for them (it takes around 16mb of memory).
A dummy attribute would take up 4 bytes (a single float, or a 4-vector of normalized bytes. Remember: you don't care about the data). So you could fit 4 million of them in 16MB.
Alternatively, you could use instanced rendering via glDrawArraysInstanced. There, you just render one vertex, but with num_vertices instances. Your shader will have to use the instance ID, of course.
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I'm wondering what would be the best thing to do if I want to draw
more than ~6000 different VAOs using the same shader.
At the moment I bind my shader then give it all information needed (uniform) then looping through each VAO to binding and draw them.
This code make my computer fall at ~ 200 fps instead of 3000 or 4000.
According to https://learnopengl.com/Advanced-OpenGL/Instancing, using glDrawElementsInstanced can allow me to handle a HUGE amount of same VAO but since I have ~6000 different VAO It seems like I can't use it.
Can someone confirm me this? What you guys would do to draw so many VAO and save many performance as you can?
Step 1: do not have 6,000 different VAOs.
You are undoubtedly treating each VAO as a separate mesh. Stop doing this. You should instead treat each VAO as a separate vertex format. That is, you only need a new VAO if you're passing different kinds of vertex data. The number of attributes and the format of each attributes constitute the format information.
Ideally, you only need between 4 and 10 separate sets of vertex formats. Given that you're using the same shader on multiple VAOs, you probably already have this understanding.
So, how do you use the same VAO for multiple meshes? Ideally, you would do this by putting all of the mesh data for a particular kind of mesh (ie: vertex format) in the same buffer object(s). You would select which data to retrieve for a particular rendering operation via tricks like the baseVertex parameter of glDrawElementsBaseVertex, or just by selecting which range of index data to draw from for a particular draw command. Other alternatives include the multi-draw family of rendering functions.
If you cannot put all of the data in the same buffers for some reason, then you should adopt the glVertexAttribFormat style of VAO usage. That way, you set your vertex format data with glVertexAttribFormat calls, and you can change the buffers as needed with glBindVertexBuffers without ever having to touch the vertex format itself. This is known to be faster than changing VAOs.
And to be honest, you should adopt glVertexAttribFormat anyway, because it's a much better API that isn't stupid like glVertexAttribPointer and its ilk.
glDrawElementsInstanced can allow me to handle a HUGE amount of same VAO but since I have ~6000 differents VAO It seems like I can't use it.
So what you should do is to combine your objects into the same VAO. Then use glMultiDrawArraysIndirect or glMultiDrawElementsIndirect to issue a draw of all the different objects from within the same VAO. This answer demonstrates how to do this.
In order to handle different textures you either build a texture atlas, pack the textures into a texture array, or use the GL_ARB_bindless_texture extensions if available.
So I've been learning OpenGL 3.3 on https://open.gl/ and I got really confused about some stuff.
VAO-s. By my understanding they are used to store the glVertexAttribPointer calls.
VBO-s. They store vertecies. So if I am making something with multiple objects do I need a VBO for every object?
Shader Programs - Why do we need multiple ones and what exactly do they do ?
What exactly does this line do : glBindFragDataLocation(shaderProgram, 0, "outColor");
The most important thing is how does all of this fit into a big program? For what exactly are used the VAO-s? Most tutorials just cover the things just to drawing a cube or 2 with hard coded vertices, so how would one go to managing scenes with a lot of objects? I've read this thread and got a little bit of understanding on how the scene management happens and all but still I can't figure out how to connect the OpenGL stuff to it all.
1-Yes. VAOs store vertex array bindings in general. When you see that you're doing lots of calls that does enabling, disabling and changing of GPU states, you can do all that at some early point in the program and then use VAOs to take a "snapshot" ,of what is bound and what isn't, at that point in time. Later, during your actual draw calls, all you need to do is bind that VAO again to set all the vertex states to what they were then. Just like how VBOs are faster that immediate mode because they send all vertices at once, VAOs work faster by changing many vertex states at once.
2-VBOs are just another way to send your glPosition, glColor..etc coordinates to the GPU to render on screen. The idea is, unlike with immediate mode where you send your vertex data one by one with the gl*Attribute* calls, is to upload all your vertices to the GPU in advance and retrieve their location as an ID. At time of rendering, you're only going to point the GPU (you bind the VBO id to something like GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, and use glVertexAttribPointer to specify details of how you stored the vertices data) to that location and issue your order to render. That obviously saves lots of time by doing things overhead, and so it's much faster.
As for whether one should have one VBO per object or even one VBO for all the objects is up to the programmer and the structure of the objects they want to render. After all, VBOs themselves are just a bunch of data you stored in the GPU, and you tell the computer how they're arranged using the glVertexAttribPointer calls.
3-Shaders are used to define a pipeline - a routine - of what happens to the vertices, colors, normals..etc after they've been sent to the GPU until they're rendered as fragments or pixels on the screen. When you send vertices over to the GPU, they're often still 3D coordinates, but the screen is a 2D sheet of pixels. There still comes the process of re-positioning these vertices according to the ProjectionModelView matrices (job of vertex shader) and then "flattening" or rasterizing the 3D geometry (geometry shader) into a 2D plane. Then it follows with coloring the flattened 2D scene (fragment shader) and finally lighting the pixels on your screen accordingly. In OpenGL versions 1.5 core and below, you didn't have much control over those stages as it was all fixed (hence the term fixed pipeline). Just think about what you could do in any of these shader stages and you will see that there is a lot of awesome things you can do with them. For example, in the fragment shader, just before you send the fragment color to the GPU, negate the sign of the color and add 1 to have colors of objects rendered with that shader inverted!
As for how many shaders one needs to use, again, it's up to the programmer to decide whether to have many or not. They could merge all the functionalities they need into one big giant shader (uber shader) and switch these functionalities on and off with boolean uniforms (very often considered as a bad practice), or have every shader do a certain thing and bind the right one according to what they need.
What exactly does this line do :
glBindFragDataLocation(shaderProgram, 0, "outColor");
It means that whatever is stored in the out declared variable "outColor" at the end of the fragment shader execution will be sent to the GPU as the final primary fragment color.
The most important thing is how does all of this fit into a big
program? For what exactly are used the VAO-s? Most tutorials just
cover the things just to drawing a cube or 2 with hard coded vertices,
so how would one go to managing scenes with a lot of objects? I've
read this thread and got a little bit of understanding on how the
scene management happens and all but still I can't figure out how to
connect the OpenGL stuff to it all.
They all work together to draw your nice colored shapes on the screen. VBOs are the structures where the vertices of your scene are stored (all aligned in an ugly fashion), VertexAttribPointer calls to tell the GPU how the data in the VBO is arranged, VAOs to store all these VertexAttribPointer instructions ahead of time and send them all at once with simply binding one during rendering in your main loop, and shaders to give you more control during the process of drawing your scene on the screen.
All of this can sound overwhelming at first, but with practice you will get used to it.
I'm starting to learn modern OpenGL, and as the title says, I just wanted to be sure of the purpose of VAO's in the rendering pipeline.
When rendering we use VBO to store datas, and then we use OpenGL functions like: glAttribe to say to the GPU that we are going to use this datas "in That way", like: the first 3 floats in the vertices that we passes through vbo are in fact positions, and the next 3 floats are colors etc... So then I readed that we need some VAO that stores the descriptions of the vertices but what's the goal there ?
Thanks in advance.
Vertex array objects store a set of buffer names (usually vertex and index buffers) to get vertex data from, as well as how the vertices are layed out in the vertex buffers.
Their main purpose is so that when you want to render a different model from a different set of buffers, instead of binding each buffer and then setting the vertex attribute formats each time, you just bind a different VAO, and all the buffers and attributes are set up for you.
Not only is this more convenient for the programmer, it reduces the number of OpenGL calls required and thus CPU usage, which can clear up a CPU bottleneck.
Taking the standard opengl 4.0+ functions & specifications into consideration; i've seen that geometries and shapes can be created in either two ways:
making use of VAO & VBO s.
using shader programs.
which one is the standard way of creating shapes?? are they consistent with each other? or they are two different ways for creating geometry and shapes?
Geometry is loaded into the GPU with VAO & VBO.
Geometry shaders produce new geometry based on uploaded. Use them to make special effects like particles, shadows(Shadow Volumes) in more efficient way.
tessellation shaders serve to subdivide geometry for some effects like displacement mapping.
I strongly (like really strongly) recommend you reading this http://fgiesen.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/a-trip-through-the-graphics-pipeline-2011-index/
VAOs and VBOs how about what geometry to draw (specifying per-vertex data). Shader programs are about how to draw them (which program gets applied to each provided vertex, each fragment and so on).
Let's lay out the full facts.
Shaders need input. Without input that changes, every shader invocation will produce exactly the same values. That's how shaders work. When you issue a draw call, a number of shader invocations are launched. The only variables that will change from invocation to invocation within this draw call are in variables. So unless you use some sort of input, every shader will produce the same outputs.
However, that doesn't mean you absolutely need a VAO that actually contains things. It is perfectly legal (though there are some drivers that don't support it) to render with a VAO that doesn't have any attributes enabled (though you have to use array rendering, not indexed rendering). In which case, all user-defined inputs to the vertex shader (if any) will be filled in with context state, which will be constant.
The vertex shader does have some other, built-in per-vertex inputs generated by the system. Namely gl_VertexID. This is the index used by OpenGL to uniquely identify this particular vertex. It will be different for every vertex.
So you could, for example, fetch geometry data yourself based on this index through uniform buffers, buffer textures, or some other mechanism. Or you can procedurally generate vertex data based on the index. Or something else. You could pass that data along to tessellation shaders for them to tessellate the generated data. Or to geometry shaders to do whatever it is you want with those. However you want to turn that index into real data is up to you.
Here's an example from my tutorial series that generates vertex data from nothing more than an index.
i've seen that geometries and shapes can be created in either two ways:
Not either. In modern OpenGL-4 you need both data and programs.
VBOs and VAOs do contain the raw geometry data. Shaders are the programs (usually executed on the GPU) that turn the raw data into pixels on the screen.
Vertex shaders can be used to displace vertices, or to generate them from a builtin formula and the vertex index, which is available as a built in attribute in later open gl versions.
The difference between vertex and geometry shaders is that vertex shader is a 1:1 mapping, while geometry shader can create more vertices -- can be utilized in automatic Level of Detail generation for e.g. NURBS or perlin noise based terrains etc.
A bit of context :
I'm working on a GPU emulator (the NV2A if you want to know) at the push-buffer level, and I'm trying to implement the drawing using OpenGL. The GPU commands that I have to emulate contain separate pointers for each vertex component (so positions are in an entirely different memory address than fog coordinates, colors, texture coordinates, etc.)
Other data, like vertex component size, type and stride are also present in the push-buffer, but those are not really relevant to this question.
I've been reading about Vertex Array Objects, but as far as my tests go, the pointers you can set with glVertexAttribPointer should all be relative to a Vertex Buffer Object - something I would like to avoid, as I've already got a copy of the data in memory.
The question :
Is it possible in OpenGL to draw vertices using separate pointers (not managed by any OpenGL API) per vertex component? And how would the code look like, roughy?
PS: Since I'm emulating a GPU, I have to take vertex shader programs into account too. I haven't worked on these yet, so any suggestion on that is welcome too. TIA!
You don't need to use VBOs, glVertexAttribPointer takes a normal CPU-pointer if no VBO is bound (you can call glBindBuffer(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, 0) to make sure). And yes, you can set up one address per attribute stream.