I'm looking for an alternative to SDL that supports multiple windows on multiple display devices for OpenGL.
Is there any mature library that provides this?
I'm aware taht SDL 1.3 will support this but it seems that's a bit into the future.
SFML is probably what you are looking for.
You should also take a look at OpenSceneGraph. It might seem like overkill, but it really is the best I've come across when it comes to rendering in multiple windows on multiple display devices. It's a complete graphics toolkit/engine, which might not be what you are looking for.
Qt and its QGLWidget might be a good alternative, specially if you want to use a GUI with your OpenGL contexts.
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I have been using a few cross-platform GUI libraries (such as FLTK, wxWidgets, GTK++), however I feel like none fulfil my needs as I would like to create something that looks the same regardless of the platform (I understand that there will be people against building GUI's that don't have a native look on the platforms but that's not the issue here).
To build my controls, I usually rely on basic shapes provided by the library and make my way up binding & coding everything together...
So I decided to give it a try and do some opengl for 2D GUI programming (as it would still be cross-platform. With that in mind, I couldn't help to notice that the applications that I have written using wxWidgets & FLTK usually have a average RAM consume of 1/2MB, whereas a very basic openGL window with a simple background ranges from 6 to 9 MB.
This brings me to the actual question for this thread,
I thought that all the rendering of the screen was made using either opengl/direct (under the covers).
Could someone please explain or link me some sort of article that could give me some insight of how these things actually work?
Thanks for reading!
These multiplatform toolkits usually support quite a lot of backends which does the drawing. Even though some of the toolkits support OpenGL as their backend, the default is usually the "native" backend.
Take a look eg. at Qt. On Windows it uses GDI for drawing for its native backend. On linux it uses XRender I think. Same on Symbian and Mac. Qt also has its own software rasterizer. And of course there is an OpenGL backend.
So why the application using some of these GUI toolkits can take less memory than a simple OpenGL application? If the toolkit use the "native" backend, everything is already loaded in memory, because it is very likely that all visible GUI uses the same drawing API. The native APIs can also use only one buffer representing a whole screen in which all applications can draw.
However when using OpenGL you have your own buffer which represents the application window. Not to mention that an OpenGL application usually has several framebuffers, like z-buffer, stencil buffer, back buffer, which are not essential for 2D drawing, but they take some space (even though its probably the space in graphics card memory). Finally, when using OpenGL, it is possible that the necessary libraries are not yet loaded.
Your question is exceedingly vague, but it seems like you're asking about why your GL app takes up more memory than a basic GUI window.
It's because it's an OpenGL application. This means it has to store all of the machinery needed to make OpenGL work. It means it needs a hefty-sized framebuffer: back buffer, z-buffer, etc. It needs a lot of boilerplate to function.
Really, I wouldn't worry about it. It's something every application does.
Glut seems rather old, and SDL also as if it's not the youngest anymore - what is being used as (cross-platform) window manager for OpenGL nowadays?
Cross platform UI toolkit
1. wxwidgets
2. fltk
3. qt
4. glut(freeglut)
5. sdl
I have used glui. Sucks real bad(in terms of performance). There huge difference in performance penalty just by including glui(without actually using it) in your apps.
To be honest, i prefer platform specific UI toolkit. Faster. Reliable.
Depends on how you want to use it. Don't think there is a clear winner.
I like to use Qt because I'm familiar with it so it feels easy to me, and because I use it for other UI elements in my mostly windowed openGL apps.
Haven't tried it myself, yet, but want to in my next project. It seems to be very popular.
SFML . It`s the "successor" to SDL written in C++
I am using freeglut, but it is just a bit improved glut.
You can also use QT
I think GLFW is the best choice for small to medium applications/games. This type of libraries should be easy,small and fast with no extra services such as image helper functions and so on. GLFW is going to remove all helper functions to focus on the main goal.
QT is the best for graphics applications but not for games or small applications.
I have a simulation software (C++) that runs on the command line. It is platform independent (currently compiling and running on Windows, MacOS X and Linux). When the simulation ends, I visualize the result with SDL; it is a very basic 2d view, mainly color squares next to each other.
I would like to have a user interface on top of the simulation so that I can start and pause the simulation, and change the parameters on the fly. Something pretty simple I guess. Well, ideally I will also add a grapher somewhere to see the evolution over time of some parameters.
Now, I am wondering what direction I should go.
Should I try to use one of the UI libraries for SDL ?
Or maybe wxwidget in conjunction with SDL ?
Or simply wxwidget and get rid of SDL ?
Do you have any experience with this ?
Thanks in advance
Barth
PS: I tried to use AGAR, a SDL UI library. It seemed very promising but I couldn't get it working. Not even the helloworld.
It may be worth you time to look into Qt. It is generally the most mature free Gui framework available. It is cross platform. And it has hardware accelerated rendering if your drawing needs some speed.
Here is a comparison posted on WxWidgets site.
In the end if your windowing needs are minimal you should choose the framework you are most comfortable with.
Probably using wxWidgets without SDL would be the easiest way to go. SDL is a media layer -- it's supposed to allow cross-platform media application development. As you only need graphical display, you only need wxWidgets -- and it will be a lot easier too!
You would benefit from SDL if:
you'd need very fast blitting of very large amount of surfaces (we're talking the 60fps range here)
you'd use RLE, color keying or other graphics operations
you'd use other media (sound, advanced real-time input, etc)
you'd need to run the software on embedded systems (handheld consoles, etc)
If the answer to all 4 is "no", then you won't benefit from SDL, and using wx alone will be much easier.
I've been challenged with a C++ 3D application project that will use 3 displays, each one rendering from a different camera.
Recently I learned about Ogre3D but it's not clear if it supports output of different cameras to different displays/GPUs.
Does anyone have any experience with a similar Setup and Ogre or another engine?
At least on most systems (e.g., Windows, MacOS) the windowing system creates a virtual desktop, with different monitors mapped to different parts of the desktop. If you want to, you can (for example) create one big window that will cover all three displays. If you set that window up to use OpenGL, almost anything that uses OpenGL (almost certainly including Ogre3D) will work just fine, though in some cases producing that much output resolution can tax the graphics card to the point that it's a bit slower than usual.
If you want to deal with a separate window on each display, things might be a bit more complex. OpenGL itself doesn't (even attempt to) define how to handle display in multiple windows -- that's up to a platform-specific set of functions. On Windows, for example, you have a rendering context for each window, and have to use WGLMakeCurrent to pick which rendering context you draw to at any given time.
If memory serves, the Windows port of Ogre3D supports multiple rendering contexts, so this shouldn't be a problem either. I'd expect it can work with multiple windows on other systems as well, but I haven't used it on any other systems, so I can't say with any certainty.
My immediate guess, however, is that the triple monitor support will be almost inconsequential in your overall development effort. Of course, it does mean that you (can tell your boss) need a triple monitor setup for development and testing, which certainly isn't a bad thing! :-)
Edit: OpenGL itself doesn't specify anything about full-screen windows vs. normal windows. If memory serves, at least on Windows to get a full screen application, you use ChangeDisplaySettings with CDS_FULLSCREEEN. After that, it treats essentially the entire virtual desktop as a single window. I don't recall having done that with multiple monitors though, so I can't say much with any great certainty.
There are several things to be said about multihead support in the case of OGRE3D. In my experience, a working solution is to use the source version of Ogre 1.6.1 and apply this patch.
Using this patch, users have managed to render an Ogre application on a 6 monitors configuration.
Personnaly, I've successfully applied this patch, and used it with the StereoManager plugin to hook up Ogre applications with a 3D projector. I only used the Direct3D9 backend. The StereoManager plugin comes with a modified demo (Fresnel_Demo), which can help you to set up your first multihead application.
I should also add that the multihead patch is now part of the Ogre core, as of version 1.7. Ogre1.7 was recently released as a RC1, so this might be the quickest and easiest way to have it working.
I want to add joystick support into an openGL application.
Is there any class that can help me?
Thanks in advance.
OpenGL is a graphics API. It has no notion of input devices.
Need more info for a better answer such as platform. On Windows there are many options for handling input. Depending on what you want to do that is. Google for more info. But a start would be simple input handling via the Win32 API. This all presumes you use Windows of course.
OpenGL does not provide direct access to the joystick as it is only a graphics library.
For joystick support we will need to know what platform you are targeting.
For example, on Windows you would likely use DirectInput.
Some GLUT implementations have: glutJoystickFunc
As mentioned in other answers, OpenGL is only a graphics rendering API. It doesn't even know how to open a window, not to mention how to handle mouse or keyboard input; something else must do it for it.
If you want a cross-platform I/O wrapper for OpenGL which also provides joystick support, take a look at SDL - Simple DirectMedia Layer. It may scare you at first, but it's still easier than writing I/O and windowing stuff for a single platform, not to mention writing a wrapper for each platform out there (SDL covers many of them).
So, take a look at SDL.