How to request a c++ feature? - c++

How could I request a C++ feature ?
Who do I have to write to ?
The feature I would like to request is a mere syntax commodity :
When using composition, we need a better syntax in order to provide method forwarding.
Something like what follows :
class Object{
InnerObject* inner;
public:
using inner->method; //<-- here
};
Such a feature would entice people to use composition instead of inheritance for object reuse.
Note : For instance, this can be simulated through the use of MACROS, as shown here { Method forwarding with composition instead of inheritance (using C++ traits)}.

Probably SO is the wrong place for your question (programmers might be a better place for it). However:
requesting a new C++ feature is unrealistic, unless you are a world-wide known C++ expert.
you could patch some C++ compiler (e.g. Clang/LLVM or GCC) to implement your feature, and publish that patch as a free software (for others to try it); you'll also need to write some code using your feature.
you might later contact some member from the ISO C++ standardization committee!
All this wil take you many years!
Notice that C++14 is a huge language (its specification document -see draft n3797- is heavy enough to kill someone who is thrown it) and I guess there is a heavy social and economic pressure to avoid increasing it.
Be aware that some very bright people worked several years to propose new features to C++ that ultimately become rejected (or postponed for many years)!
(for examples, Google for "concepts in C++" or "modules in C++").
BTW, you might have a more pragmatic approach to your concern. Have some specialized C++ code generator to fit your needs (that generator could be a macro-processor like gpp or m4, some specialized script in Python or Awk, or some external program like ANTLR or Qt's moc, or even a translator from some other language to C++ like MELT...).

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Find the protection level of class member C++

Is there a way to find out what the protection level of a member is?
I'm making a singleton base-class and I'd like to ensure that the child class declares its constructor/destructor as private/protected. How can I do this?
template<class c>
class singleton
{
static_assert(std::is_private<&c::c> // does this exist?
|| std::is_protected<&c::c>);
static_assert(std::is_private<&c::~c>
|| std::is_protected<&c::~c>);
};
There is a paper written that proposed this in 2018, (and later 2019). In fact, it appears it was circulated in June of 2019 as part of the Committee's proposal process. However, I'm not really sure what happened to it (other then I think I found another revision).
Some compilers might support it experimentally. If they did, I believe the header you would use is <experimental/reflect> (according to the paper, at least).
Otherwise, you're kind of stuck. It appears reflection was deferred to a later standard, so nothing like this really exists in C++ as it stands. Hopefully it will make it into C++23. But for now we have to wait.
Unfortunately, what you are trying to do is not possible. So far, C++ doesn't have reflection features that are powerful enough.
In reality, programmers use singleton classes without needing protection mechanisms like this, because C++ is not designed for maximum compile-time validation. There are a whole lot of other similar things you can't do in C++ — in other words, it is impossible for C++ to accommodate for every possible feature users may expect, especially those that are not generally considered useful. Reflection is proposed because many people find it helpful, but so far the equivalent capabilities have not been included in C++.

Which languages will call C++ with no explicit bridging?

While developing a new product, we decided to go for a mix of C++ and C#, haven been told that bridging them to allow the C# code to call the C++ code would be easy (spoiler, it's not).
We're pretty experienced C++ programmers and not at all C# programmers so we pretty much just had to believe what we've read. A few attempts to call C and Objective-C was promising and we even found a few articles that showed how to make an unmanaged C++ class available in C# -- or at least we thought. The C++ code in the articles, wasn't C++, but instead the horrible monster C++/CLI that Microsoft seems to think is C++. Since we're doing the C# stuff to get some bits "for free" in macOS and Windows, C++/CLI isn't an option either :-(.
Anyway, plenty of people have claimed that it's easy to call C++ code from some specific programming language, but so far, I haven't seen a single one that will allow me to do so (I haven't been paying too much attention to this, so please provide me with an obvious example). C++ invariably always means C with no C++ stuff at all; no namespaces, classes, no stl, lambdas or anything. Just plain dumb C.
So, are there any languages, besides C++(/CLI) that will allow me to do the following:
Create an instance of a class, using a C++ constructor, and dispatch it with a C++ destructor.
Call member functions on an object ( foo f; f.foo();) with a C++ class.
Use std::vector, std::find_if, std::string and other stuff from the stl. Complete coverage of the stl is not required.
Use overloaded functions (i.e. f(), f(int), f(std::string))
Use overloaded operators (foo operator + (foo, foo))
Use C++11, C++14 and/or C++17 features.
Use RAII (rather important IMHO).
Use namespaces.
No. There is no such language.
Unless you count Objective-C++. But that falls pretty much in the same bucket as C++/CLI, in being C++ with some extensions. And C++/CX is another such beast.
There are some interop tools that can work with C++ classes (SWIG for example), but I have never heard of a tool that is capable of instantiating C++ templates (like vector or find_if) on demand.
What languages will call C++ with no explicit bridging?
The short answer to this question is: NONE
Remember that a programming language is a specification written in some technical report, usually in English. For examples, read n1570 (the spec of C11) or R5RS (the spec of Scheme). For C++, see n3337.
Actually, you are interested in implementations, e.g. in compilers and interpreters for your programming languages. These implementations are practically software. And then the answer might become: it depends (notably on the ABI used & targetted by your compiler and system).
See for examples this list of ABIs for Linux.
plenty of people have claimed that it's easy to call C++ code from some specific programming language,
The C calling conventions are quite common, and it might help to declare every C++ function callable from outside as extern "C". But there is no silver bullet, and details matter a lot.
So, are there any languages, besides C++(/CLI) that will allow me to do the following:
list of C++ features skipped
Probably not.
You probably need at least to understand more about memory management approaches. I recommend understanding more about garbage collection, e.g. by reading the GC handbook (at least for underlying concepts & terminology). Learn more about foreign function interfaces (in some cases, the libffi might help) and language bindings.
You might also consider generating some of the C++ or C glue code, maybe with SWIG (or write your own C++ glue code generator).
On operating systems providing dynamic linking capable of loading plugins at runtime (e.g. Linux with dlopen(3)/dlsym(3); but other OSes often have similar facilities) you could even consider generating some C or C++ glue code at runtime in some temporary file, compile it as a temporary plugin, and dynamically loading that plugin. You could also consider JIT-compiling libraries like GCCJIT or LLVM (or libjit).
I recommend reading SICP, the Dragon Book, and probably Lisp In Small Pieces. Of course, learn something about OSes, e.g. Operating Systems: Three Easy Pieces. Reading about Linkers and Loaders could also help.
As an excellent example of cleverly gluing C++, look into CLASP and see this video.
But whatever approach you take, you'll need a lot of work (years, not weeks).
C++ as a language does not have a defined ABI (Application Binary Interface) - which basically means that there is no universal standard of what a C++ class/function call/template would look like in binary form on any given platform, or across platforms.
What that means is that there is no universal way to call C++ code from other languages, on different platforms, or even across compilers on the same platform. It also means that the people who are telling you "it's easy to call C++ code from XYZ language" are mostly incorrect (or at least incredibly incomplete).
Where there are interfaces it's either because the provider of the interface controls the ABI (C++/CLI with .NET), or because there is a translation layer from C++ to something like the C calling convention (Boost::python).
Some work has been done towards attempting to define an ABI per-platform (http://open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2014/n4028.pdf), but as far as I'm aware it has not yet been accepted into C++17.
You can look into using C++ interpreter, which allows for the fine-grained control you ask for. But I don't know of any that "just works", see also:
Have you used any of the C++ interpreters (not compilers)?

Official C++ language subsets

I mainly use C++ to do scientific computing, and lately I've been restricting myself to a very C-like subset of C++ features; namely, no classes/inheritance except complex and STL, templates only used for find/replace kinds of substitutions, and a few other things I can't put in words off the top of my head. I am wondering if there are any official or well-documented subsets of the C++ language that I could look at for reference (as well as rationale) when I go about picking and choosing which features to use.
There is Embedded C++. It sounds mostly similar to what you're looking for.
Google publishes its internal C++ style guide, which is often referred to as such a subset: https://google.github.io/styleguide/cppguide.html . Ben Maurer, whose company reCAPTCHA was acquired by Google, describes it as follows in this post on Quora:
You can basically think of Google's
C++ subset as C plus a bit of sugar:
The ability to add methods to structs
Basic single inheritance.
Collection and string classes
Scope based resource management.
They also publish a lint tool, cpplint.py.
Not long ago I listened to this SE-Radio podcast - Episode 152: MISRA with Johan Bezem, which introduces MISRA, standard guidelines for C and C++ to ensure better quality, try looking at it.
The GCC developers are about to allow some C++ features. I'm not aware of any official guidelines, yet, but I am pretty sure that they will define some. Have a look at initial report on the mailing list.
Well, latest developments (TR1, C++0x) in C++ made it very much generic, allowing you to do imperative, OOP or even (limited) functional programming in C++. Libraries like Boost also enable you to do very power declarative template-based meta-programming.
I think Boost is the first thing to try out in C++. It's a comprehensive library, which also includes several modules that enable you to program in functional style (Boost.Functional) or making compile-time declarative meta-programming (Boost MPL).
OpenCL has been using C for writing kernels, but they have recently added (or will soon add) C++ bindings and perhaps Java. OpenCL leaves out a number of performance robbing features of C. Excluded are things like function pointers and recursion. Smart pointers and polymorphism also create overhead.
Restrictions on C:
SIMD programming languages
Slightly off topic: Here is a good discussion comparing OpenCL with CUDA using C.
OpenCL or CUDA Which way to go?
The SEI CERT C++ Coding Standard gives a list of rules for writing safe, reliable, and secure systems in C++14. This is not a subset of C++ per se, but as a coding standard like the other answers is a subset in effect by avoiding unsafe, undefined, or easily-misused features (including some common to C).

Partially parse C++ for a domain-specific language

I would like to create a domain specific language as an augmented-C++ language. I will need mostly two types of contructs:
Top-level constructs for specialized types or declarations
In-code constructs, i.e. to add primitives to make functions calls or idiom easier
The language will be used for scientific computing purposes, and will ultimately be translated into plain C++. C++ has been chosen as it seems to offer a good compromise between: ease of use, efficiency and availability of a wide range of libraries.
A previous attempt using flex and bison failed due to the complexity of the C++ syntax. The existing parser can still fail on some constructs. So we want to start over, but on better bases.
Do you know about similar projects? And if you attempted to do so, what tools would you use? What would be the main pitfalls? Would you have recommendations in term of syntax?
There are many (clever) attempts to have domain specific languages within the C++ language.
It's usually called DSEL for Domain Specific Embedded Language. For example, you could look up the Boost.Spirit syntax, or Boost.rdb (in the boost vault).
Those are fully compliant C++ libraries which make use of C++ syntax.
If you want to hide some complexity, you might add in a few macros.
I would be happy to provide some examples if you gave us something to work with :)
You can try extending an open source Elsa C++ parser (it is now a part of a Mozilla's Pork project):
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Pork
The way to extend C++ is not to try to extend the language, which will be extremely difficult and probably break as new base compiler releases implement new features, but to write class libraries to support your problem domain. This has been what C++ programming has been all about since the language's inception.
If you really want to extend C++, you'll need a full C++ parser plus name and type resolution. As you've found out, this is pretty hard. Your best solution is to get an existing one and modify it.
Our DMS Software Reengineering Toolkit is an infrastructure for implementing langauge processors. It is
designed to support the construction of tools that parse languages, carry out transformations, and spit out the same language (with enhanced code) or a different language/dialect.
DMS has a full C++ Front End, that parses C++, builds abstract syntax trees and symbol tables (e.g., all that name and type resolution stuff).
The DMS/C++ front end is provided with DMS in source form, so that it can be customized to achieve the kind of effect you want. You'd define your DSL as an extension of the C++ front end, and then write transformations that convert your special constructs into "vanilla" C++ constructs, and then spit out compilable result.
DMS/C++ have been used for a wide variety of transformation tasks, including ones that involved extending C++ as you've described, and including tasks that carry out massive reorganizations of large C++ applications. (See the Publications at that website).
To solve you first bullet, maybe you can use C++0x new features "initializer lists", and "user defined litterals" avoiding the need for a new parser. They may help for the second bullet, too.

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Although people seem to like to complain about C++, I haven't been able to find much evidence as to why you would want to choose C over C++. C doesn't seem to get nearly as much flak and if C++ has all these problems why can't you just restrict yourself to the C subset? What are your thoughts/experience?
Joel's answer is good for reasons you might have to use C, though there are a few others:
You must meet industry guidelines, which are easier to prove and test for in C
You have tools to work with C, but not C++ (think not just about the compiler, but all the support tools, coverage, analysis, etc)
Your target developers are C gurus
You're writing drivers, kernels, or other low-level code
You know the C++ compiler isn't good at optimizing the kind of code you need to write
Your app not only doesn't lend itself to be object-oriented but would be harder to write in that form
In some cases, though, you might want to use C rather than C++:
You want the performance of assembler without the trouble of coding in assembler (C++ is, in theory, capable of 'perfect' performance, but the compilers aren't as good at seeing optimizations a good C programmer will see)
The software you're writing is trivial, or nearly so - whip out the tiny C compiler, write a few lines of code, compile and you're all set - no need to open a huge editor with helpers, no need to write practically empty and useless classes, deal with namespaces, etc. You can do nearly the same thing with a C++ compiler and simply use the C subset, but the C++ compiler is slower, even for tiny programs.
You need extreme performance or small code size and know the C++ compiler will actually make it harder to accomplish due to the size and performance of the libraries.
You contend that you could just use the C subset and compile with a C++ compiler, but you'll find that if you do that you'll get slightly different results depending on the compiler.
Regardless, if you're doing that, you're using C. Is your question really "Why don't C programmers use C++ compilers?" If it is, then you either don't understand the language differences, or you don't understand the compiler theory.
I like minimalism & simplicity.
Because they already know C
Because they're building an embedded app for a platform that only has a C compiler
Because they're maintaining legacy software written in C
You're writing something on the level of an operating system, a relational database engine, or a retail 3D video game engine.
Fears of performance or bloat are not good reason to forgo C++. Every language has its potential pitfalls and trade offs - good programmers learn about these and where necessary develop coping strategies, poor programmers will fall foul and blame the language.
Interpreted Python is in many ways considered to be a "slow" language, but for non-trivial tasks a skilled Python programmer can easily produce code that executes faster than that of an inexperienced C developer.
In my industry, video games, we write high performance code in C++ by avoiding things such as RTTI, exceptions, or virtual-functions in inner loops. These can be extremely useful but have performance or bloat problems that it's desirable to avoid. If we were to go a step further and switch entirely to C we would gain little and lose the most useful constructs of C++.
The biggest practical reason for preferring C is that support is more widespread than C++. There are many platforms, particularly embedded ones, that do not even have C++ compilers.
There is also the matter of compatibility for vendors. While C has a stable and well-defined ABI (Application Binary Interface) C++ does not. The ABI in C++ is more complicated due to such things as vtables and constructurs/destructors so is implemented differently with every vendor, and even versions of a vendors toolchain.
In real-terms this means you cannot take a library generated by one compiler and link it with code or a library from another which creates a nightmare for distributed projects or middleware providers of binary libraries.
I take the other view: why use C++ instead of C?
The book The C Programming Language (aka: K&R) tells you clearly how to do everything the language can do in under 300 pages. It's a masterpiece of minimalism. No C++ book even comes close.
The obvious counterargument is that the same could be said of most, if not all, modern languages -- they also can't tell you how to do everything in only a few hundred pages. True. So why use C++ instead? Feature richness? Power? If you need something more feature rich or powerful then go with C#, Objective C, Java, or something else like that. Why burden yourself with the complexities of C++? If you need the degree of control C++ grants then I argue to use C. C can do anything and can do it well.
I choose to write in C because I enjoy working with a small, tight language. I like having access to a standard which can be read in a reasonable amount of time (for me -- I'm a very slow reader). Moreover, I use it to write software for embedded systems for which few desirable C++ compilers exist (like some PIC micro-controllers).
In addition to several other points mentioned already:
Less surprise
that is, it is much easier to see what a piece of code will do do exactly . In C++ you need to approach guru level to be able to know exactly what code the compiler generates (try a combination of templates, multiple inheritance, auto generated constructors, virtual functions and mix in a bit of namespace magic and argument dependent lookup).
In many cases this magic is nice, but for example in real-time systems it can really screw up your day.
I'm used to use C++ for my projects. Then I got a job where plain C is used (a 20 year old evolving codebase of an AV software with poor documentation...).
The 3 things I like in C are:
Nothing is implicit: you see what your program exactly does or not does. This makes debugging easier.
The lack of namespaces and overloads can be an advantage: if you want to know where a certain function is called, just grep through the source code directory and it will tell you. No other special tools needed.
I rediscovered the power of the function pointers. Basically they allow you to do all polymorphic stuff you do in C++, but they are even more flexible.
Linus' answer to your question is "Because C++ is a horrible language"
His evidence is anecdotal at best, but he has a point..
Being more of a low level language, you would prefer it to C++..C++ is C with added libraries and compiler support for extra features (both languages have features the other language doesn't, and implement things differently), but if you have the time and experience with C, you can benefit from extra added low level related powers...[Edited](because you get used to doing more work manually rather than benefit from some powers coming from the language/compiler itself)
Adding links:
Why C++ for embedded
Why are you still using C? PDF
I would google for this.. because there are plenty of commentaries on the web already
Because they're writing a plugin and C++ has no standard ABI.
Long compile times can be annoying. With C++ you can have very long compile times (which means, of course, more time for Stack Overflow!).
If you want your code to be understood by virtually any programmer write in C.
I'm surprised no one's mentioned libraries. Lots of languages can link against C libs and call C functions (including C++ with extern "C"). C++ is pretty much the only thing that can use a C++ lib (defined as 'a lib that uses features in C++ that are not in C [such as overloaded functions, virtual methods, overloaded operators, ...], and does not export everything through C compatible interfaces via extern "C"').
Because they want to use features in C99 that don't have equivalents in C++.
However, there aren't as many C99 features that are useful to C++ as people think at first glance. Variable-length arrays? C++ has std::vectors. Support for complex/imaginary numbers? C++ has a templated complex type. Type-generic math functions? C++ overloaded the standard math functions, causing the same result.
Named initializers? Not in C++, but there's a workaround:
struct My_class_params {
int i;
long j;
std::string name;
My_class_params& set_i(int ii)
{
i = ii;
return *this;
}
My_class_params& set_j(long jj)
{
j = jj;
return *this;
}
template <typename STRING>
My_class_params& set_name(STRING&& n)
{
name = std::forward<STRING>(n);
return *this;
}
My_class_params()
{
// set defaults
}
};
class My_class {
My_class_params params;
public:
My_class(const My_class_params& p) : params(p) { }
...
};
This allows you to write things like:
My_class mc(My_class_params().set_i(5).set_name("Me"));
This is pretty shallow but as a busy student I chose C because I thought C++ would take too long to learn. Many professors at my university won't accept assignments in Python and I needed to pick up something quickly.
Because for many programming tasks C is simpler, and good enough. When I'm programming lightweight utilities especially, I can feel like C++ wants me to build in an elegant supersructure for its own sake, rather than simply write the code.
OTOH, for more complex projects, the elegance provides more good solid structural rigor than would naturally flow out of my keyboard.
Most of the significant features of c++ somehow involve classes or templates. These are wonderful features except for the way the compiler transforms these into object code. Most compilers use name mangling, and the ones that don't do something at least as messy.
If your system lives on its own, as is the case with many applications, then C++ is a fine choice.
If your system needs to interact with software not neccesarily written in C++ (most frequently in assembler, or Fortran Libraries) then you are in a tight spot. To interact with those kinds of cases, you'll need to disable name mangling for those symbols. this is usually done by declaring those objects extern "C", but then they can't be templates, overloaded functions, or classes. If those are likely to be your applications API, then you'll have to wrap them with helper functions, and keep those functions in sync with the actual implementations.
And in reality, the C++ language provides a standard syntax for features that can be easily implemented in pure C.
In short, the overhead of interoperable C++ is too high for most folks to justify.
Oh my, C vs C++, a great way to start a flame war. :)
I think C is better for driver and embedded code.
C++ has some great features that C doesn't have, but many of the object oriented features of C++ can cause monumental coding messes when people write code with non-obvious side-effects that occur behinds the scenes. Crazy code can be hidden in constructors, destructors, virtual functions, ... The beauty of C code is the language does nothing non-obvious behind your back, thus you can read the code and not have to look up at every constructor and destructor and so on. A lot of the problem is bad coding practices by SOME people.
My perfect language would be a combination of C99 plus a minimal subset of safer C++ capabilities that adds ZERO (or near zero) compiler overhead to the binary output. Perfect additions would be class encapsulation and naming concepts of data and functions.
One remark about "just use the subset of C++ you want to use": the problem with this idea is that it has a cost to enforce that everybody in the project uses the same subset. My own opinion is that those costs are quite high for loosely coupled projects (e.g. open source ones), and also that C++ totally failed at being a better C, in the sense that you cannot use C++ wherever you used C.
I haven't been able to find much evidence as to why you would want to choose C over C++.
You can hardly call what I'm about to say evidence; it's just my opinion.
People like C because it fits nicely inside the mind of the prgrammer.
There are many complex rules of C++ [when do you need virtual destructors, when can you call virtual methods in a constructor, how does overloading and overriding interact, ...], and to master them all takes a lot of effort. Also, between references, operator overloading and function overloading, understanding a piece of code can require you to understand other code that may or may not be easy to find.
A different question in why organizations would prefer C over C++. I don't know that, I'm just a people ;-)
In the defense of C++, it does bring valuable features to the table; the one I value most is probably parametric('ish) polymorphism, though: operations and types that takes one or more types as arguments.
I would say that C gives you better control over optimization and efficiency than C++ and hence would be useful in situations where memory and other resources are limited and every optimization helps. It also has a smaller footprint of course.
There's also the approach some shops take of using some of C++'s features in a C-like way, but avoiding ones that are objectionable. For example, using classes and class methods and function overloading (which are usually easy for even C diehards to cope with), but not the STL, stream operators, and Boost (which are harder to learn and can have bad memory characteristics).
Because you're writing for a system where resources are tight (such as an embedded system, or some kind real bare metal code like a kernel) and you want as little overhead as possible.
There's a reason why most embedded systems don't have a C++ compiler - it's not that people don't want one, it's that cramming C++ code into that small a space is task that approaches impossible.
Until some years ago the existing C++ compilers were missing important features, or the support was poor and the supported features vary wildly among them, and so it was hard to write portable applications.
Because of the no standard naming of symbols it is difficult for other languages/applications to support C++ classes directly.
What C needed was a better preprocessor.
cfront was one and thus born c++
I'ld use C, where the 'c++ as preprocessor' would not be okay.
I'm pretty sure, at the bottom of any well written c++ library/framework/toolkit,
you would find dirty-old-c ( or static casts, which is same )