I'm sorry if this question exists, I can't specifically find this case when googling it up, and to be frank I'm even unsure what tags to use.
I am developping a solution, with a launcher. There is a problem however: my team doesn't want to make the launcher and the actual program two different binary files, which I believe is a conception mistake.
Either way they won't change their mind so we're going with that.
My "launcher" part of the program currently succesfully fetches new versions on our server.
I however want to be able to, as soon as the new version is downloaded, quit the current binary, delete the old one, launch the new one.
It has, ontop of that, to be multiplatform.
Now, if I recall correctly I think that on linux, it's very possible to delete a binary on the hard drive as it runs in memory. I'm really, really unsure if it can be done on Windows however.
Is it possible to delete a program that is currently running on windows, with an instruction to launch the new one somehow?
Tell me what you think. In my mind it really sounds unfeasable, but if it can be done, I would really like to know how.
At the very least, if it can't be done on either OS, I'll just show my team the answers.
Thank you in advance, sorry about the very vague "what if" questions and such.
I agree with you, it's probably not a good idea. The question was raised before.
How can a C++ binary replace itself?
The answers includes a description how to do this on Windows, where the use of "shim" allows you to do what you described with a launcher, without actually having to develop this launcher yourself.
I am a student programmer using Qt to build several GUI applications for my company and embarrassingly I have a tendency to misspell words from time to time. Obviously it's not really much of an issue for my code as the compiler would be the first to let me know but is there any way to automatically check the spelling of strings or data that is displayed?
I really would like to know if Qt offers anything; boy that would be nice. I didn't see anything in the documentation though. I don't often have this problem but when it does happen it's so embarrassing.
Ever since I installed VisualAssist, it highlights spelling, even in comments.
Not sure what it looks like or if it only works with VS... I am using it in plain c++.
http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2012/05/22/qt-4-8-2-and-visual-studio-add-in-1-1-11-released/
I hope this helps.
I know that E&C is a controversial subject and some say that it encourages a wrong approach to debugging, but still - I think we can agree that there are numerous cases when it is clearly useful - experimenting with different values of some constants, redesigning GUI parameters on-the-fly to find a good look... You name it.
My question is: Are we ever going to have E&C on GDB? I understand that it is a platform-specific feature and needs some serious cooperation with the compiler, the debugger and the OS (MSVC has this one easy as the compiler and debugger always come in one package), but... It still should be doable. I've even heard something about Apple having it implemented in their version of GCC [citation needed]. And I'd say it is indeed feasible.
Knowing all the hype about MSVC's E&C (my experience says it's the first thing MSVC users mention when asked "why not switch to Eclipse and gcc/gdb"), I'm seriously surprised that after quite some years GCC/GDB still doesn't have such feature. Are there any good reasons for that? Is someone working on it as we speak?
It is a surprisingly non-trivial amount of work, encompassing many design decisions and feature tradeoffs. Consider: you are debugging. The debugee is suspended. Its image in memory contains the object code of the source, and the binary layout of objects, the heap, the stacks. The debugger is inspecting its memory image. It has loaded debug information about the symbols, types, address mappings, pc (ip) to source correspondences. It displays the call stack, data values.
Now you want to allow a particular set of possible edits to the code and/or data, without stopping the debuggee and restarting. The simplest might be to change one line of code to another. Perhaps you recompile that file or just that function or just that line. Now you have to patch the debuggee image to execute that new line of code the next time you step over it or otherwise run through it. How does that work under the hood? What happens if the code is larger than the line of code it replaced? How does it interact with compiler optimizations? Perhaps you can only do this on a specially compiled for EnC debugging target. Perhaps you will constrain possible sites it is legal to EnC. Consider: what happens if you edit a line of code in a function suspended down in the call stack. When the code returns there does it run the original version of the function or the version with your line changed? If the original version, where does that source come from?
Can you add or remove locals? What does that do to the call stack of suspended frames? Of the current function?
Can you change function signatures? Add fields to / remove fields from objects? What about existing instances? What about pending destructors or finalizers? Etc.
There are many, many functionality details to attend to to make any kind of usuable EnC work. Then there are many cross-tools integration issues necessary to provide the infrastructure to power EnC. In particular, it helps to have some kind of repository of debug information that can make available the before- and after-edit debug information and object code to the debugger. For C++, the incrementally updatable debug information in PDBs helps. Incremental linking may help too.
Looking from the MS ecosystem over into the GCC ecosystem, it is easy to imagine the complexity and integration issues across GDB/GCC/binutils, the myriad of targets, some needed EnC specific target abstractions, and the "nice to have but inessential" nature of EnC, are why it has not appeared yet in GDB/GCC.
Happy hacking!
(p.s. It is instructive and inspiring to look at what the Smalltalk-80 interactive programming environment could do. In St80 there was no concept of "restart" -- the image and its object memory were always live, if you edited any aspect of a class you still had to keep running. In such environments object versioning was not a hypothetical.)
I'm not familiar with MSVC's E&C, but GDB has some of the things you've mentioned:
http://sourceware.org/gdb/current/onlinedocs/gdb/Altering.html#Altering
17. Altering Execution
Once you think you have found an error in your program, you might want to find out for certain whether correcting the apparent error would lead to correct results in the rest of the run. You can find the answer by experiment, using the gdb features for altering execution of the program.
For example, you can store new values into variables or memory locations, give your program a signal, restart it at a different address, or even return prematurely from a function.
Assignment: Assignment to variables
Jumping: Continuing at a different address
Signaling: Giving your program a signal
Returning: Returning from a function
Calling: Calling your program's functions
Patching: Patching your program
Compiling and Injecting Code: Compiling and injecting code in GDB
This is a pretty good reference to the old Apple implementation of "fix and continue". It also references other working implementations.
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/gdb/2003-06/msg00500.html
Here is a snippet:
Fix and continue is a feature implemented by many other debuggers,
which we added to our gdb for this release. Sun Workshop, SGI ProDev
WorkShop, Microsoft's Visual Studio, HP's wdb, and Sun's Hotspot Java
VM all provide this feature in one way or another. I based our
implementation on the HP wdb Fix and Continue feature, which they
added a few years back. Although my final implementation follows the
general outlines of the approach they took, there is almost no shared
code between them. Some of this is because of the architectual
differences (both the processor and the ABI), but even more of it is
due to implementation design differences.
Note that this capability may have been removed in a later version of their toolchain.
UPDATE: Dec-21-2012
There is a GDB Roadmap PDF presentation that includes a slide describing "Fix and Continue" among other bullet points. The presentation is dated July-9-2012 so maybe there is hope to have this added at some point. The presentation was part of the GNU Tools Cauldron 2012.
Also, I get it that adding E&C to GDB or anywhere in Linux land is a tough chore with all the different components.
But I don't see E&C as controversial. I remember using it in VB5 and VB6 and it was probably there before that. Also it's been in Office VBA since way back. And it's been in Visual Studio since VS2005. VS2003 was the only one that didn't have it and I remember devs howling about it. They intended to add it back anyway and they did with VS2005 and it's been there since. It works with C#, VB, and also C and C++. It's been in MS core tools for 20+ years, almost continuous (counting VB when it was standalone), and subtracting VS2003. But you could still say they had it in Office VBA during the VS2003 period ;)
And Jetbrains recently added it too their C# tool Rider. They bragged about it (rightly so imo) in their Rider blog.
I'm working on a real-time application (lets call it App1) which is communicating with another application (App2). I used VS2008 and both applications are in C++. Recently I converted the App1 project to VS2010 and right after that it started crashing (I use VS2010 Premium Ver. 10.0.30319.1). Crash dump shows that right before a crash, App2 tries to send a request to App1 for multiple times without receiving any response. So I thought maybe converting App1 to VS2010 screwed the performance and it takes a long time for App1 to generate the response. Does using VS2010 has any effect on the performance (compared to VS2008)?
Well of course it has "some" effect on the performance. The compiler is newer, and in many regard better.
The problem you are suffering is unlikely to be as a result of the compiler going wrong however. Its possible you have made an assumption that no longer holds true under the C++0x features introduced in 2010 but I'd suggest its far more likely that you have a bug in the VS2008 version as well. You need to figure out why its hanging and see what you can do to stop that hang happening. It is quite probable that the timings have been changed around using 2010 and an assumption you've made (and you should never assume things will work in a specific way ... either know or look it up) has come back to bite you in the arse.
Probably not the kinda answer you were looking for though ... but I'd definitely bet on it being a bonafide bug!
The thing to do is not guess around about this and that.
The thing to do is find the bug and fix it.
It's tricky with asynchronous apps that coordinate with message passing. The way I handle jobs like that is to generate a detailed time-stamped log of the message traffic from/to each app. I take those logs and merge them together into a single timeline. Then I study the timeline and look for things that don't work as expected.
This is work. It can take many hours, and you will probably have to repeat it, but you will find the problem.
I assume you're the kind of programmer who will tackle a tough job and see it through.
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We are producing a portable code (win+macOs) and we are looking at how to make the code more rubust as it crashes every so often... (overflows or bad initializations usually) :-(
I was reading that Google Chrome uses a process for every tab so if something goes wrong then the program does not crash compleatelly, only that tab. I think that is quite neat, so i might give it a go!
So i was wondering if someone has some tips, help, reading list, comment, or something that can help me build more rubust c++ code (portable is always better).
In the same topic i was also wondering if there is a portable library for processes (like boost)?
Well many Thanks.
I've developed on numerous multi-platform C++ apps (the largest being 1.5M lines of code and running on 7 platforms -- AIX, HP-UX PA-RISC, HP-UX Itanium, Solaris, Linux, Windows, OS X). You actually have two entirely different issues in your post.
Instability. Your code is not stable. Fix it.
Use unit tests to find logic problems before they kill you.
Use debuggers to find out what's causing the crashes if it's not obvious.
Use boost and similar libraries. In particular, the pointer types will help you avoid memory leaks.
Cross-platform coding.
Again, use libraries that are designed for this when possible. Particularly for any GUI bits.
Use standards (e.g. ANSI vs gcc/MSVC, POSIX threads vs Unix-specific thread models, etc) as much as possible, even if it requires a bit more work. Minimizing your platform specific code means less overall work, and fewer APIs to learn.
Isolate, isolate, isolate. Avoid in-line #ifdefs for different platforms as much as possible. Instead, stick platform specific code into its own header/source/class and use your build system and #includes to get the right code. This helps keep the code clean and readable.
Use the C99 integer types if at all possible instead of "long", "int", "short", etc -- otherwise it will bite you when you move from a 32-bit platform to a 64-bit one and longs suddenly change from 4 bytes to 8 bytes. And if that's ever written to the network/disk/etc then you'll run into incompatibility between platforms.
Personally, I'd stabilize the code first (without adding any more features) and then deal with the cross-platform issues, but that's up to you. Note that Visual Studio has an excellent debugger (the code base mentioned above was ported to Windows just for that reason).
The Chrome answer is more about failure mitigation and not about code quality. Doing what Chrome is doing is admitting defeat.
Better QA that is more than just programmer testing their own work.
Unit testing
Regression testing
Read up on best practices that other
companies use.
To be blunt, if your software is crashing often due to overflows and bad initializations, then you have a very basic programming quality problem that isn't going to be easily fixed. That sounds a hash and mean, that isn't my intent. My point is that the problem with the bad code has to be your primary concern (which I'm sure it is). Things like Chrome or liberal use to exception handling to catch program flaw are only distracting you from the real problem.
You don't mention what the target project is; having a process per-tab does not necessarily mean more "robust" code at all. You should aim to write solid code with tests regardless of portability - just read about writing good C++ code :)
As for the portability section, make sure you are testing on both platforms from day one and ensure that no new code is written until platform-specific problems are solved.
You really, really don't want to do what Chrome is doing, it requires a process manager which is probably WAY overkill for what you want.
You should investigate using smart pointers from Boost or another tool that will provide reference counting or garbage collection for C++.
Alternatively, if you are frequently crashing you might want to perhaps consider writing non-performance critical parts of your application in a scripting language that has C++ bindings.
Scott Meyers' Effective C++ and More Effective C++ are very good, and fun to read.
Steve McConnell's Code Complete is a favorite of many, including Jeff Atwood.
The Boost libraries are probably an excellent choice. One project where I work uses them. I've only used WIN32 threading myself.
I agree with Torlack.
Bad initialization or overflows are signs of poor quality code.
Google did it that way because sometimes, there was no way to control the code that was executed in a page (because of faulty plugins, etc.). So if you're using low quality plug ins (it happens), perhaps the Google solution will be good for you.
But a program without plugins that crashes often is just badly written, or very very complex, or very old (and missing a lot of maintenance time). You must stop the development, and investigate each and every crash. On Windows, compile the modules with PDBs (program databases), and each time it crashes, attach a debugger to it.
You must add internal tests, too. Avoid the pattern:
doSomethingBad(T * t)
{
if(t == NULL) return ;
// do the processing.
}
This is very bad design because the error is there, and you just avoid it, this time. But the next function without this guard will crash. Better to crash sooner to be nearer from the error.
Instead, on Windows (there must be a similar API on MacOS)
doSomethingBad(T * t)
{
if(t == NULL) ::DebugBreak() ; // it will call the debugger
// do the processing.
}
(don't use this code directly... Put it in a define to avoid delivering it to a client...)
You can choose the error API that suits you (exceptions, DebugBreak, assert, etc.), but use it to stop the moment the code knows something's wrong.
Avoid the C API whenever possible. Use C++ idioms (RAII, etc.) and libraries.
Etc..
P.S.: If you use exceptions (which is a good choice), don't hide them inside a catch. You'll only make your problem worse because the error is there, but the program will try to continue and will probably crash sometimes after, and corrupt anything it touches in the mean time.
You can always add exception handling to your program to catch these kinds of faults and ignore them (though the details are platform specific) ... but that is very much a two edged sword. Instead consider having the program catch the exceptions and create dump files for analysis.
If your program has behaved in an unexpected way, what do you know about your internal state? Maybe the routine/thread that crashed has corrupted some key data structure? Maybe if you catch the error and try to continue the user will save whatever they are working on and commit the corruption to disk?
Beside writing more stable code, here's one idea that answers your question.
Whether you are using processes or threads. You can write a small / simple watchdog program. Then your other programs register with that watchdog. If any process dies, or a thread dies, it can be restarted by the watchdog. Of course you'll want to put in some test to make sure you don't keep restarting the same buggy thread. ie: restart it 5 times, then after the 5th, shutdown the whole program and log to file / syslog.
Build your app with debug symbols, then either add an exception handler or configure Dr Watson to generate crash dumps (run drwtsn32.exe /i to install it as the debugger, without the /i to pop the config dialog). When your app crashes, you can inspect where it went wrong in windbg or visual studio by seeing a callstack and variables.
google for symbol server for more info.
Obviously you can use exception handling to make it more robust and use smart pointers, but fixing the bugs is best.
I would recommend that you compile up a linux version and run it under Valgrind.
Valgrind will track memory leaks, uninitialized memory reads and many other code problems. I highly recommend it.
After over 15 years of Windows development I recently wrote my first cross-platform C++ app (Windows/Linux). Here's how:
STL
Boost. In particular the filesystem and thread libraries.
A browser based UI. The app 'does' HTTP, with the UI consisting of XHTML/CSS/JavaScript (Ajax style). These resources are embedded in the server code and served to the browser when required.
Copious unit testing. Not quite TDD, but close. This actually changed the way I develop.
I used NetBeans C++ for the Linux build and had a full Linux port in no time at all.
Build it with the idea that the only way to quit is for the program to crash and that it can crash at any time. When you build it that way, crashing will never/almost never lose any data. I read an article about it a year or two ago. Sadly, I don't have a link to it.
Combine that with some sort of crash dump and have it email you it so you can fix the problem.