I have just learnt about Django apps. I want to know that within one site, if I make different apps. like, users, profiles, polls, blogs,comments, jobs , applications then how can I manage them to make them intereactive? And is it how the concept of app should be? I want to have things loosely coupled that's why asking? Rails work on the way of REST, so do Django support that also with the use of apps? May be my questions seems a bit ambiguous because I am new to django and some of my concepts are still messed up.
Please tell what ever you know.
The general idea is that apps should be as loosely coupled as possible. The goal is to have completely self-contained functionality. Now, of course, that's not always possible and many times it even makes sense to bring in functionality from another app. To do that, you simply import whatever you need. For example, if your "blogs" app needed to work with your Comment model in your "comments" app you'd simply add the following to the top of the python file you're working in:
from comments.models import Comment
You can then use Comment as if it were defined right in the same file.
As far as REST goes, Django's views are much more fluid. You can name your view whatever you like; you need only hook it up to the right urlpattern in urls.py. Django views can return any content type, you just prepare the response and tell it what mimetype to serve it as (the default is HTML).
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I'm currently writing django project and got confused when it came to separation into apps. Project consists of posts and categories which are kept in one app, also there is a 'main' app which handles user profile view, login, logout and registration. Now I'm trying to implement user-to-user messages and I'm wondering if it should be kept as separate app.
If Message model is kept in application 'messages' how do I realize show_messages view?
1) It seems that it should be stored in 'main' app since it's linked by my_profile view. It would just get all Message instances form 'messages' app and render template extending profile.html or including from 'messages' app a partial template responsible only for messages listing. But why would I then need separate application just to hold one model there with some helper functions?
2) Secondly I wonder about placing show_messages view in 'messages' app but then I would need to use template which extends template from other application which again seems to be violation of self-containment rule. Also all "accounts/" urls are currently kept in main.urls so I feel wrong about adding "accounts/profile/messages" rule to messages.url.
3) Finally I think about moving Message model with all helpers and templates to 'main' app since messages are designed to work with User models and views therefore forcing additional separation seems useless.
Thanks for reading my thoughts, I'll appreciate all clues and explanations.
When I first started working with Django, I found the answers on this SO question to be particularly helpful, regarding app/project layout: Projects vs Apps
Many of the answers are useful, but this one is particularly pithy:
Try to answer question: "What does my application do?". If you cannot answer in single sentence, then maybe you can split it to several apps with cleaner logic?
I've read this thought somewhere soon after I've stared to work with django and I find that I ask this question my self quite often and it helps me.
Your apps don't have to be reusable, they can depend on each other, but they should do one thing.
Interdependence of apps isn't always problematic. For example, in a lot of my projects I have a separate app that is used solely for creating dynamic menus. In order to work properly, I need to import the specific models of that site into that app -- so I couldn't just drop it into another site, unaltered, and expected it to work. Nonetheless, the other 90% of the code in that app is completely reusable, and it's easier for me to move the relevant code to a new project if its already spun out into a separate app -- even though that app only holds a templatetag and a template.
Ultimately, a django site would technically run just fine with ALL models/views/etc in one big, unwieldy app. But by breaking your project down into "this app performs this specific function" you're probably going make managing your code a lot easier for yourself.
Regarding the 'url' point in 2, there's no reason not to subspace URLs. You are already doing this in a django project already -- mostly likely your main urls.py has an include() to another app, such as your main.urls. There's no reason your main.urls can't also have an include() to your messages app.
What really is the true meaning of django project and individual apps in it?
I mean - AFAIK you cannot create a project and live entirely in that project you created, you have to create an app in that project to be able to actually do something in django. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Now what should really be the structure of a django project? I'm writing an e-shop. Let's say my project is named foo:
/foo
/foo
/settings.py
/templates
/urls.py
/wsgi.py
/shop
/__init__.py
/admin.py
/models.py
/tests.py
/views.py
and do everything entirely in /foo/shop/, but I edit urls.py inside /foo/foo/ etc.
I was following the Django Book, but I've begun to gain that strange feeling that /foo/foo/ is just for a main folder "stitching the thing together" but individual stuff should be done only in /foo/shop/, but not limited to. Preferably in /foo/web/, /foo/products/, /foo/forum/, /foo/controlpanel/, /foo/shop/, /foo/helpdesk/, /foo/backoffice/ etc.
Is that correct? Should I put everything products-related in /foo/products/, that including storage management, shipping, dealers, prices etc., then put management of those products (from the employee side) to /foo/backoffice/, which will serve as some sort of "django.contrib.admin" for this? Is that correct? Then if I want to host multiple instances of this (with completely separate databases and stuff) for multiple customers, should i only create a barebone project, that will put these things together, to configure the settings and then just move individual components in some sort of central repository and call them back in the project via INSTALLED_APPS? Because that would be cool as hell! I mean - making all the changes globally, not touching users data and configuration, unless necessary (adding columns in models and such). Is this how django is really supposed to be used? Or am I completely off the track and do things ENTIRELY wrong and this paragraph just doesn't make any django-sense?
I'm relatively new to this. I've been using PHP before and even though Django was a pain-in-the-ass to get basic grip of, I don't regret that and plan to deprecate and make offline any PHP project I created to date and replace them all with django. Well - where it makes sense and is not a single-purpose site. Not only because Django is awesome and versatile, but i cas I can scale it easily as well…
So… How should I really design Django projects, apps, and how to use them in production, providing them to multiple customers?
Thank you!
I mean - AFAIK you cannot create a project and live entirely in that project you created, you have to create an app in that project to be able to actually do something in django. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
You can do plenty of things on just a project, but you need an app for models to be auto discovered.
For example, I have a project with just this in urls.py:
class Homepage(generic.TemplateView):
template_name = 'homepage.html'
def get_context_data(self):
context = cache.get('homepage')
if not context:
management.call_command('reset_cache')
context = cache.get('homepage')
return context
urlpatterns = patterns("",
url(r"^$", Homepage.as_view(), name="home"),
)
You guessed it, it's a really basic website.
and do everything entirely in /foo/shop/, but I edit urls.py inside /foo/foo/ etc.
I was following the Django Book, but I've begun to gain that strange
feeling that /foo/foo/ is just for a main folder "stitching the thing
together" but individual stuff should be done only in /foo/shop/, but
not limited to. Preferably in /foo/web/, /foo/products/, /foo/forum/,
/foo/controlpanel/, /foo/shop/, /foo/helpdesk/, /foo/backoffice/ etc.
Well, you should define /foo/shop/urls.py, and import it from /foo/foo/urls.py ie.:
urlpatterns = patterns("",
url(r"^shop/", include("shop.urls")),
)
The point is to make your apps more convenient to reuse in other django projects.
Is that correct? Should I put everything products-related in
/foo/products/, that including storage management, shipping, dealers,
prices etc., then put management of those products (from the employee
side) to /foo/backoffice/, which will serve as some sort of
"django.contrib.admin" for this? Is that correct?
You should take a look at open source projects and see how they divided that.
According to the directory tree that you represented, you seem to have understood the point, but your statement seems fuzzy so I'll attempt to clarify it.
Apps are generally oriented around models. So if I make a product app it will probably contain:
Product model,
Product list, edit, create, delete and detail view
urls for the views,
Product admin,
tests for Product and views,
other things which are used by other django apps like product/admin.py would be used by django.contrib.admin, but also external apps like django-autocomplete-light would use product/autcomplete_light_registry.py and django-rules-light would use product/rules_light_registry
Then if I want to host multiple instances of this (with completely
separate databases and stuff) for multiple customers, should i only
create a barebone project, that will put these things together, to
configure the settings and then just move individual components in
some sort of central repository and call them back in the project via
INSTALLED_APPS?
There are many ways to do SaaS with django. But I agree that the easiest and most convenient is to maintain generic apps and build a project per customer that reuses (and eventually override parts of) these apps.
I'm new to Django and I'm trying to wrap my head around how these apps are supposed to be organized. I have the following questions:
Are apps like divs that are generated separately?
Can we have apps within apps?
Can we have apps that when clicked on, change other apps with javascript?
Right now I just have one views.py file and it loads all of its content through different function calls.
So right now I'm faced with if I should break up my views.py into smaller apps.
Am I going about Django the correct way?
Are apps defined like the they are in picture below, or are apps supposed to act more like a page?
What if I want a header, breadcrumbs, and footer for all my pages? I'm super confused #.#
Apps have nothing whatsoever to do with divs. Django is not a CMS (although it can be used to create CMSs) and doesn't dictate the layout of your templates.
The usual way to handle different blocks on the page that need different logic to populate them is via custom template tags. James Bennett has a good writeup on this, although the syntax is rather out of date so refer to the first link for that.
How would you go about using django models and templates, but not the URL routing system? I'd like to swap out the urls.py system for something like PHP where the URL tells you exactly where the code is that's running. Or maybe something more automagic like rails uses -- where the URL always includes the same components like app name, model name and view name.
I just disagree with the line from the django philosophy statement that "Tying URLs to Python function names is a Bad And Ugly Thing." Pretty URLs just aren't all that important to me, and IMVHO not worth the complexity of climbing through a maze of indirection in multiple urls.py files and dozens of regexes to find out what code runs behind a particular URL. It's a personal choice, right? Django is generally pretty modular allowing you to swap out the major components for other ones. So, how would I swap out the part which takes the request URL and decides which view to run?
Are there any alternate URL routers for django out there?
All you need is one line in your urls.py that matches everything, and then just write your handler/dispatcher as a view. That handler does whatever you want based on the parts of the URL....
I've never heard of anyone successfully swapping out Django's URL routing system. There's certainly no hook for it - core.handlers.base.BaseHandler.get_response calls urlresolvers.RegexURLResolver directly. Conceivably, you could add a middleware at the bottom of the stack that dispatches to your own URL resolution system and returns the response, thus bypassing the Django system, but it's a bit kludgy.
If you're after something more like Rails, you might want to try one of the other frameworks - Pyramid, for example, uses a system of Routes very similar to Rails'. Pyramid is much more pluggable than Django, so you should be able to plug in the Jinja2 templating system, which is based on Django's. However, there's no way to use Django's ORM seperately, so you'd need to use SQLAlchemy (which can be used in a way that's not massively different).
While working on my Django-based projects I'm always trying to follow Django's approach to reusable apps - I'm trying to decouple my applications from each other and especially trying to avoid cross references but sometimes it does not seem to be possible.
Let's consider a simple example with 2 applications: articles and users. Articles application defines article model, articles list view and single article view, users application defines user model and user profile view. Article is referencing user from the author field, so articles application is obviously dependent on users application which is fine.
But when it comes to user profile, I want to display latest articles authored by the user (and may be latest articles viewed by the user) on that page but that makes users application aware of articles application which is what I'm trying to avoid.
I can obviously try to push all such references to the template level but it still does not solve the issue completely and at the same time may be very inefficient in terms of database queries sometimes.
What do you guys do in such cases?
If you are really set on not having any conversation between the 'user' app and the 'article' app, then you need a third app to act as interface. That would know about users and articles and define all the coupling between them. Your article view would be in there, since it has to get the user data, and your user profile view would be in there, because it needs to say "Fred wrote 5 articles".
Whether this level of decoupling is worth it, I don't know. Sometimes programming for re-usability gets in the way of making the thing usable in the first place.
The standard (or preferred) way of keeping coupled apps decoupled is to add a conditional coupling - like in some apps that try to import django-notification and only if they find it, they report events to it.
Still, if you have two apps that talks to each other by design, then I don't see any point in decoupling them - there are plenty of examples in Django world of apps that just require other apps. Note that I'm talking here about writing real-world software, not about some academic delibrations :-)
It seems that in this case, the dependency of users on articles is in a method, not a field. (Whether it's a model method, a model class method, or a manager method is immaterial). If that's so, you can do a lazy import of articles inside the method. By the time this import is performed, users.models will be fully loaded, so even if this is a circular import, it will not cause problems. The "import users" statement in articles will not have to re-load users and will have the full users namespace available.