I would like to generate vertex geometry on the cpu and then pass it to the GPU and run a number of vertex shaders on the vertices and then get these transformed vertices back to the cpu. I dont want to render the vertices or run any fragment shaders.
Is it possible to get the vertex-shader transformed vertices back from the gpu onto the cpu?
If so how?
Yes, the facility required is called "Transform Feedback Buffers". Extension to OpenGL-2
http://www.opengl.org/registry/specs/ARB/transform_feedback2.txt
Introduced to being official OpenGL functionality with OpenGL-3.0
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I would like to retrieve the z height of each pixels of a rendered object in a scene.
I will need to retrieve the color rendered too.
What are the opengl technics to implement ?
glReadPixels and CPU side code
use glReadPixels to obtain both RGB and Depth buffers. Here examples for both:
depth buffer got by glReadPixels is always 1
OpenGL Scale Single Pixel Line
That will read the buffers into CPU accessible memory. This way is slow (due to sync) but should work on any platform.
FBO render to texture and GPU shader
Faster method is to use FBO and render to texture and use that output in next rendering pass as input texture for computing your stuff inside shaders. This however will not run properly on Intel and might need additional tweaking of code between nVidia and AMD.
If you have per pixel output use single QUAD covering your screen as the second rendering pass.
If you got single output for the whole screen instead use single POINT render and compute all in the fragment shader (scann the whole texture inside) something like this:
How to implement 2D raycasting light effect in GLSL
The difference is that by usnig shaders and FBO you are not transferring data between GPU/CPU so its way faster.
The content of the targeted textures can be still readed by CPU using texture related GL functions
compute GPU shaders
There are also compute shaders out there but I did not use them yet so I am just guessing however with them it might be possible to do your stuff in single pass and also the form of the result and computation should not be as limiting.
My bet is that you are doing some post processing similar to Deferred Shading so googling such topic/tutorials might help.
In both the OpenGL and Direct3D rendering pipelines, the geometry shader is processed after the vertex shader and before the fragment/pixel shader. Now obviously processing the geometry shader after the fragment/pixel shader makes no sense, but what I'm wondering is why not put it before the vertex shader?
From a software/high-level perspective, at least, it seems to make more sense that way: first you run the geometry shader to create all the vertices you want (and dump any data only relevant to the geometry shader), then you run the vertex shader on all the vertices thus created. There's an obvious drawback in that the vertex shader now has to be run on each of the newly-created vertices, but any logic that needs to be done there would, in the current pipelines, need to be run for each vertex in the geometry shader, presumably; so there's not much of a performance hit there.
I'm assuming, since the geometry shader is in this position in both pipelines, that there's either a hardware reason, or a non-obvious pipeline reason that it makes more sense.
(I am aware that polygon linking needs to take place before running a geometry shader (possibly not if it takes single points as inputs?) but I also know it needs to run after the geometry shader as well, so wouldn't it still make sense to run the vertex shader between those stages?)
It is basically because "geometry shader" was a pretty stupid choice of words on Microsoft's part. It should have been called "primitive shader."
Geometry shaders make the primitive assembly stage programmable, and you cannot assemble primitives before you have an input stream of vertices computed. There is some overlap in functionality since you can take one input primitive type and spit out a completely different type (often requiring the calculation of extra vertices).
These extra emitted vertices do not require a trip backwards in the pipeline to the vertex shader stage - they are completely calculated during an invocation of the geometry shader. This concept should not be too foreign, because tessellation control and evaluation shaders also look very much like vertex shaders in form and function.
There are a lot of stages of vertex transform, and what we call vertex shaders are just the tip of the iceberg. In a modern application you can expect the output of a vertex shader to go through multiple additional stages before you have a finalized vertex for rasterization and pixel shading (which is also poorly named).
I'm using some standard GLSL (version 120) vertex and fragment shaders to simulate LIDAR. In other words, instead of just returning a color at each x,y position (each pixel, via the fragment shader), it should return color and distance.
I suppose I don't actually need all of the color bits, since I really only want the intensity; so I could store the distance in gl_FragColor.b, for example, and use .rg for the intensity. But then I'm not entirely clear on how I get the value back out again.
Is there a simple way to return values from the fragment shader? I've tried varying, but it seems like the fragment shader can't write variables other than gl_FragColor.
I understand that some people use the GLSL pipeline for general-purpose (non-graphics) GPU processing, and that might be an option — except I still do want to render my objects normally.
OpenGL already returns this "distance calculation" via the depth buffer, although it's not linear. You can simply create a frame buffer object (FBO), attach colour and depth buffers, render to it, and you have the result sitting in the depth buffer (although you'll have to undo the depth transformation). This is the easiest option to program provided you are familiar with the depth calculations.
Another method, as you suggest, is storing the value in a colour buffer. You don't have to use the main colour buffer because then you'd lose your colour or have to render twice. Instead, attach a second render target (texture) to your FBO (GL_COLOR_ATTACHMENT1) and use gl_FragData[0] for normal colour and gl_FragData[1] for your distance (for newer GL versions you should be declaring out variables in the fragment shader). It depends on the precision you need, but you'll probably want to make the distance texture 32 bit float (GL_R32F and write to gl_FragData[1].r).
- This is a decent place to start: http://www.opengl.org/wiki/Framebuffer_Object
Yes, GLSL can be used for compute purposes. Especially with ARB_image_load_store and nvidia's bindless graphics. You even have access to shared memory via compute shaders (though I've never got one faster than 5 times slower). As #Jherico says, fragment shaders generally output to a single place in a framebuffer attachment/render target, and recent features such as image units (ARB_image_load_store) allow you to write to arbitrary locations from a shader. It's probably overkill and slower but you could also write your distances to a buffer via image units .
Finally, if you want the data back on the host (CPU accessible) side, use glGetTexImage with your distance texture (or glMapBuffer if you decided to use image units).
Fragment shaders output to a rendering buffer. If you want to use the GPU for computing and fetching data back into host memory you have a few options
Create a framebuffer and attach a texture to it to hold your data. Once the image has been rendered you can read back information from the texture into host memory.
Use an CUDA, OpenCL or an OpenGL compute shader to write the memory into an arbitrary bound buffer, and read back the buffer contents
I have a list of vertices and their arrangement into triangles as well as the per-triangle normalized normal vectors.
Ideally, I'd like to do as little work as possible in somehow converting the (triangle,normal) pairs into (vertex,vertex_normal) pairs that I can stick into my VAO. Is there a way for OpenGL to deal with the face normals directly? Or do I have to keep track of each face a given vertex is involved in (which more or less happens already when I calculate the index buffers) and then manually calculate the averaged normal at the vertex?
Also, is there a way to skip per-vertex normal calculation altogether and just find a way to inform the fragment shader of the face-normal directly?
Edit: I'm using something that should be portable to ES devices so the fixed-function stuff is unusable
I can't necessarily speak as to the latest full-fat OpenGL specifications but certainly in ES you're going to have to do the work yourself.
Although the normal was modal under the old fixed pipeline like just about everything else, it was attached to each vertex. If you opted for the flat shading model then GL would use the colour at the first vertex on the face across the entire thing rather than interpolating it. There's no way to recreate that behaviour under ES.
Attributes are per vertex and uniforms are — at best — per batch. In ES there's no way to specify per-triangle properties and there's no stage of the rendering pipeline where you have an overview of the geometry when you could distribute them to each vertex individually. Each vertex is processed separately, varyings are interpolation and then each fragment is processed separately.
The graphics engine I am developing has developed a major bottleneck which is matrix transforms on vertices (nearly no static vertices at all). So far I've been transforming the vertices with the CPU and updating the vertex buffer every frame (the data copying is a little bottleneck by itself but so far managable).
So I was thinking if I could just keep the mesh buffer inside the GPU, I could transform the vertices there and get that transformed set of vertices back to main memory for other processing (the subsequent processing requires a bit more inter connectivity than the GPU shaders allow). The might eliminate the bottleneck in the current code.
Any tips on how to do that? Thanks.
Look into the stream-output stage in DX11:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb205121(v=vs.85).aspx
It allows you to attach a memory buffer (on the CPU or GPU) in which the results from the vertex shader (and possible geometry shader) are stored.