Googling nor binging "VC++ What's new C++0x" gives me nothing that tells me what is new.Is there an official page at msdn or something similiar that contains the information for VC++ 10? I've seen such for C#,there must be one for what I'd enjoy to read.
If not, please list the new features available in Visual Studio 2010 for VC++.
The Visual C++ Team Blog has frequent articles about what's new for VC++ in Studio 2010. It's not an exhaustive list, but does detail many of the new additions.
There's also an MS site which lists some of whats new.
Wikipedia's Visual C++ page has a recap, which I imagine will be updated frequently as we get closer to the release:
Visual C++ 2010 (known also as Visual
C++ 10.0) is planned for release on
April 12, 2010. It is currently in
development, and available publicly
only in the form of beta version, and
available on MSDN as a release
candidate. The Visual C++ team is
considering using a SQL Server Compact
database to store information about
the source code, including
IntelliSense information, for better
IntelliSense and code-completion
support. This version adds a
modern C++ parallel computing library
called the Parallel Patterns Library,
partial support for C++0x,
significantly improved IntelliSense,
and performance improvements to both
the compiler and generated code.
This version is built around .NET 4.0,
but supports compiling to machine
code. The partial C++0x support in
VC10 consists of 6 compiler features
(lambdas, rvalue references, auto,
decltype, static_assert, nullptr), and
some library features (e.g. moving the
TR1 components from std::tr1 namespace
directly to std namespace). Variadic
templates were also considered, but
delayed until some future version due
to lower priority which stemmed from
the fact that unlike other
costly-to-implement features in VC10
(lambda, rvalue references), this one
would benefit rather the minority of
library writers than the majority of
compiler end users.
Beta 2 version number: 16.00.21003.01 (this is the version of compiler; the IDE itself has version number 16.00.21006.01)
RC version number: 16.00.30128.01
Related
The /std (Specify Language Standard Version) option is available in Visual Studio 2017 and later. Does it mean that previous versions of Visual Studio use particular versions of the C++ standard and, unlike gcc/clang, there's a 1:1 mapping between a VS version and the default C++ standard version provided by the compiler?
There is a blog post Standards version switches in the compiler that explains the introduction of the feature and what MSVC used to do previously:
Traditionally, we would release the compiler in a default mode that combines features striding several versions of the C++ language, e.g. C++98, C++03, C++11, C++14, etc. in addition to conformance improvement bug fixes. This can lead to situations where it is difficult to simultaneously upgrade to the newer and better compiler and at the same time move your code forward. We really appreciate the great feedback you’ve given us about our conformance improvements and new feature work. As the C++ standards committee is gearing up for a new C++ version, we’ve taken the initiative to help you state in your build systems or compiler command lines which version of C++ you are comfortable with while updating to the next version of Visual C++.
Visual C++ has made significant progress towards C++ standards conformance between the first release of Visual Studio 2015 and VS 2015 Update 3. We’ve fixed many issues with constexpr, improved expression SFINAE support, evaluation of initializer lists, variable templates, and more. Our standard library implementation has kept pace with features adopted into the post-C++14 standard draft. And we’ve implemented some major features currently under consideration by the committee, including C++ modules and coroutines. We want you to benefit from all this, but also we want you to consume these features at your own pace, while upgrading to this new update.
All post-C++14 features implemented in this update are off by default; those which were included in previous releases are left on to avoid causing your builds.
...
From what I gather /std:c++17 would be equivalent to clang/gcc -std=c++17 argument.
Some versions of msvc may not fully implement some versions of iso C++.
Depending on the Visual C++ compiler version or update level, certain C++14 or C++17 features may not be fully implemented or fully conformant when you specify the /std:c++14 or /std:c++17 options. For example, the Visual C++ 2017 RTM compiler does not fully support C++14-conformant constexpr, expression SFINAE, or 2-phase name lookup.
(cf: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/reference/std-specify-language-standard-version?view=vs-2017 )
So that's not exactly a "1:1 mapping between VS version and the default C++ standard version provided by the compiler".
You shouldn't rely on that.
Instead you should read the docs for the version of VS you're using.
Hope this answers your question.
I'm wondering how well writing software in C++11 works on Windows yet. It would be most comfortable (and propably most natural) to use one of the native compilers for Windows - I'm thinking about Visual Studio 2012 Express or Visual Studio 2013 Express here. Everything I could find so far on that matter is
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hh567368.aspx
(Comparison of C++11 features of VC10 and VC11, which seems to be quite bad)
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2013/06/28/c-11-14-stl-features-fixes-and-breaking-changes-in-vs-2013.aspx (not really transparent, didn't give me a good idea how well it works)
Does anyone have any experience how well the current Visual Studio versions can handle C++11? I really want to start using auto, lambdas, variadic templates, template aliases, initializer lists and rvalue references (to name just a few) and all the other good stuff right now, but if Windows might be a problem I might have to use C++03 further.
Another possibility seems to be to install LLVM and Clang on Windows. My primary platform is OSX, and on that system Clang's support for C++11 is really good. But I read that the LLVM-version of the standard library for C++ (libc++) does not work well on Windows. So LLVM/clang might not be an option.
What are your opinions on C++11 development on Windows?
Thank you!
I can only give you my experience as a developer, as I've been building against the cutting edge of C++ on Windows using Visual C++ for just about everything, while also installing several other compilers and IDEs (including building Clang myself on Windows for Visual Studio 2012, 2012 CTP, and 2013 Preview). The following is my experience up until right now (August 13th, 2013), and is based on Herb Sutter's talk and working with the compiler every day.
The Quick
Run in the opposite direction of Visual Studio / VC++. Support for C++11 is slow, and they're currently being crushed in terms of compiler features versus Clang and GCC.
The Present
Visual C++'s C++11 (and C++14 support) is beyond abysmal right now. They lack powerful features that make template metaprogramming in C++ great (using expressions in particular).
Using doesn't exist right now. I have spent hours and hours porting great C++11 code with using to VC++, only to have it break it certain places, snap, or just become near damn unmaintainable.
Variadic support in the CTP was horrifically terrible, and while it got better for Visual Studio 2013 Preview's version of the compiler, it's still fairly bad at complex variadic and template expressions that obey the standard (and compile fine in GCC and Clang).
=delete and =default are pretty much gone from VC++ right now; in the hopeful near future, maybe it will work out (and it should come "soon-ish", according to the roadmap) (I had to implement r-value constructors explicitly for many simple classes all the way down a 8-class inheritance hierarchy once. It was the worst slap in the face, when I watched GCC and Clang users get all of my explicit hardcoded work for free with =default).
As a holdover (primarily because of Windows OS code and some binary compatabilities), Empty-Base-Class-Optomizations in VC++ don't work. Don't expect your class hierarchy sizes or member layout to be optimized in the least (watch your ordering in std::tuple when packing variable types).
This is about all the frustrations I've come into contact with so far. They're work-aroundable -- I have to work with them every day -- but if you want great C++ support, you should jump for GCC or Clang and somehow make it work on your machine.
The Future
If you really want C++11, you will need to wait about a year, and even then Visual Studio 2013's release of VC++ will still be missing a few features (and don't expect them to be bugless either). VC++ for 2013 will also still be critically missing std::move and explicit r-value support in many places, making it painful when you expect things to work.
The Caveat
If you're not a powerful Vim user, you're low on options when it comes to IDEs that you can work with (that play nice with GDB/GCC or Clang).
QtCreator is nice, works with MinGW, and is generally fully featured enough to get work done.
Sublime Text can be used, but you'll have to write your own building system or delegate that to something else.
Code::Blocks's autocomplete is wonky and behaves strangely, and the IDE itself feels clunky.
Eclipse is supposed to be good, but my experiences with it are clunky and strange, with odd input lags at time (despite a 8.00 GB i7 Haswell machine using an SSD).
Visual Studio, as an IDE, is pretty solid. Then stack Visual Assist X on top, and it works pretty damn well for C++ coding. It's really the only reason I continue to stick with it, but I've already made headway into learning Vim so I can mostly ditch Visual Studio altogether, when the time comes.
About Libraries
Library support in VC++ is pretty complete (for as much as their broken compiler lets them be complete). It has regex, while most other libraries have non-existent or broken regex support. But that doesn't mean that the VC++ library plays nice with some C++11 features that it says it does (picture by melak47).
And Lastly
If you want code that you know is going to work in Windows, 100%, for the rest of eternity, you'll probably want to program against VC++. The other "benefit" is that the code you write in VC++ is the smallest subset of C++/C++11 you can write with, so in the end it should compile everywhere. Of course, that goes against the very idea of using beautiful C++11 and enjoying it, so... pick your poison(s) wisely.
VC's C++11 support is far from complete, but it does include the most important user-facing features.
And here's the other thing. In my experience, it is fine to install MinGW or Clang on Windows, but you're going to have some inconvenience because hardly anybody precompiles binaries for those compilers for Windows (whereas lots of people precompile binaries for Visual Studio).
In addition, there are as far as I am aware no environments for Windows which are remotely as advanced as Visual Studio for things like graphical debugging, intellisense, and stuff like that. When I tried Code::Blocks it just didn't work, realistically.
You can see here for a comprehensive comparison of compiler support for C++11 language features. Here's some info on VS's C++11/14 roadmap.
MSVC is lagging behind the other major C++ compilers but it's still got support for many of the most important features.
auto, lambdas, and rvalue references are available from VS10. IIRC there's a caveat with rvalue references that the compiler doesn't generate move construction and move assignment operators.
variadic templates and initializer lists are available in the VS2013 preview, including library support.
type aliasing (i.e., typedefs with the using keyword) is expected to be available in VS 2013 RTM.
If you don't need to interoperate with binaries generated by VS then installing another compiler such as GCC is workable. I understand Clang can also work in a mingw environment, with libstdc++ rather than libc++.
http://nuwen.net/mingw.html
The nuwen distro is AWESOME! It is MinGW but it comes out much quicker than MinGW as new GCC releases come out. It also comes with all of boost and other useful libraries already compiled. It is all I use on windows anymore.
We are using C++11 for a few months already in production software across windows and linux in some here.com products without any problems. We use auto, lambdas, range for... Using Visual studio 2012 and gcc 4.7.
I have been using VS2012 and used C++11 features where possible. There are some bugs in the implementations and I have found it helpful to have another compiler to hand when I get errors from Visual Studio to compare against.
Clang and GCC to lead the way in terms of C++11 feature support and it appears to be a neck-and-neck race in terms of C++11 support between the two. MSVC is sadly panting trying to keep up and lagging behind. The Nuwen MingGW distro is, as Jake mentions, excellent and appears to be working well with Eclipse (Kepler release) and I didn't encounter too much pain using it with Netbeans 7.4 either. The Nuwen distro is currently at version 11.2 at the time of writing and, as you can see at Stephan's website, is now x64-native, featuring GCC 4.8.1 and Boost 1.54.0, with GCC's default mode also set to C++11.
I'm certainly beginning to use Eclipse Kepler and Nuwen MinGW in preference to MSVC 2012 more and more, but I'm largely a hobbyist C++ programmer still getting my feet wet and may not have hit the more obscure problems that those to whom C++ is their bread and butter may know about.
I was wondering, the new language features added in C++, are available in old versions of Microsoft Visual Studio? How VS versions update the language SDKs?
No, the new C++11 features which are added to the compiler are only in the newest version. Even the latest verions [VS2012] doesn't currently support all of C++11 yet though - see here for the list
Some parts of C++11 (previously called TR1 and then into C++0x) were added to VS2010 at the time - std::shared_ptr, unordered associative containers, etc.
[Disclosure - I work for MS but have nothing to do with the compiler team, answer is from public sources only]
Does C++0x mode in VC++ 2010 has an off switch? I am working on a project that supposed to compile on non 0x compilers, and therefore I want to compile against the current standard. (Even if non of the new features are being used directly, there are still subtleties that makes C++0x more premissive).
The closest switch I found was Configuration Properties -> C/C++ -> Language -> Disable Language Extensions but that's not it.
No, language extensions are typically non-standard vendor specific additions.
C++0X features: There is no direct way to switch off these features. One workaround is to not use them. However, note that there will still be marked difference in performance across versions of VC runtime. VC10 implements move semantics and the standard library (std::string for example) uses these features generously.
A reasonable compromise in my opinion is to switch back to VS2008. Recent VS versions have been notoriously buggy (so far, in my experience) and have never worked the way they should without a Service Pack. VS2008 is pretty stable now, without any of those C++0x features and ought to fit your bill.
It appears you can use the vc2008 toolset in VS2010 see: Visual C++ 2010 compatibility with VC 2008
What are the advantages/disadvantages between MS VS C++ 6.0 and MSVS C++ 2008?
The main reason for asking such a question is that there are still many decent programmers that prefer using the older version instead of the newest version.
Is there any reason the might prefer the older over the new?
Advantages of Visual Studio 2008 over Visual C++ 6.0:
Much more standards compliant C++ compiler, with better template handling
Support for x64 / mobile / XBOX targets
Improved STL implementation
Support for C++0x TR1 (smart pointers, regular expressions, etc)
Secure C runtime library
Improved code navigation
Improved debugger; possibility to run remote debug sessions
Better compiler optimizations
Many bug fixes
Faster builds on multi-core/multi-CPU systems
Improved IDE user interface, with many nice features
Improved macro support in the IDE; DTE allows access to more IDE methods and variables
Updated MFC library (in VS2008 Service Pack 1)
support for OPENMP (easy multithreading)(only in VS2008 pro.)
Disadvantages of moving to Visual Studio 2008:
The IDE is a lot slower than VS6
Intellisense still has performance issues (replacing it with VisualAssistX can help)
Side-by-side assemblies make app deployment much more problematic
The local (offline) MSDN library is extremely slow
As mentioned here, there's no profiler in the Professional version
In the spirit of Joel's recent blog post, I've combined some of the other answers posted into a single answer (and made this a community-owned post, so I won't gain rep from it). I hope you don't mind. Many thanks to Laur, NeARAZ, 17 of 26, me.yahoo.com, and everyone else who answered. -- ChrisN
Well, for one thing it may be because the executables built with MSVS 6 require only msvcrt.dll (C runtime) which is shipped with Windows now.
The MSVS 2008 executables need msvcrt9 shipped with them (or already installed).
Plus, you have a lot of OSS libraries already compiled for Windows 32 bit with the 6.0 C runtime, while for the 2008 C runtime you have to take the source and compile them yourself.
(most of those libraries are actually compiled with MinGW, which too uses the 6.0 C runtime - maybe that's another reason).
I would like to add that it's not the case that applications developed using Visual C++ 2008 must require more DLLs than those developed using Visual C++ 6.0. That's just the default project configuration.
If you go into your project properties, C/C++, Code Generation, then change your Runtime Library from Multi-threaded DLL and Multi-threaded Debug DLL (Release and Debug configurations) to Multi-threaded and Multi-threaded Debug, your application should then have fewer dependencies.
Off the top of my head, the advantages of the new Visual Studio are:
stricter adherence to standards
support for x64 / mobile / XBOX
targets
better compiler optimizations
(way) better template handling
improved debugger; possibility to
run remote debug sessions
improved IDE
improved macro support; DTE allows access to more IDE methods and variables
Disadvantages:
IDE seems slower
Intellisense still has performance
issues (replacing it with
VisualAssistX can help)
runtime not universally available
source control integration not up to
par (although in all fairness VC6
lacks this feature completely)
Did you know that MS VC6's implementation of the STL isn't thread-safe? In particular, the reference counting optimization in basic_string blows up even when compiled with the multi-threaded libraries.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813810
Besides the deployment mentioned above, the main advantage of MSVC 6.0 is speed. Because it is a 10 year old IDE it feels quite fast on a modern computer. The newer versions of Visual Studio offer more advanced features, but they come at a cost (complexity and slower speed).
But the biggest draw-back of MSVC 6.0 is its non-compliant C++-Compiler and Library. If you intend to do serious C++-Programming this is a show-stopper. If you only build MFC-Applications it is probably not much of a problem.
Visual C++ 6.0 integrates with memory tracking tools, such as Purify, HeapAgent, BoundsChecker and MemCheck, thoroughly and well since those memory tracking tools were actively maintained and aggressively sold after Visual C++ 6.0 came out.
However, since C++ has been out of vogue for a while, the companies that sell memory tracking tools still sell them but never update or integrate them with new Visual C++ versions, including Visual Studio 2008. So, using memory tracking tools with Visual Studio 2008 is frustrating, errorprone and, in some cases, impossible.
Since VC6 most of the focus of Visual Studio has been on C# and .NET, as well as other features, so some C++ old-timers see VC6 as the good old days. Things have improved in Visual Studio for C++ developers since those days, but not nearly as dramatically as for .NET users.
One way that VS2008 is significantly better than VC6 is that it can build C++ projects in parallel. This can result in significantly faster builds even on a single CPU system, but especially if you have multiple cores.
If you install all service packs for VS6 you still have a solid IDE/compiler combo. As a software developer who have to release products in the wild (over Internet) I don't want to o ship the VC++ runtimes and .NET framework everytime (I can't bundle them directly in my installer/executable, its forbidden by Microsoft). You know, several megabytes of runtimes to run kilobytes of code is kinda stupid. VC++ 6.0 only need your executable and 2 .DLL at best.
Also, debug runtimes cannot be distributed with VC++ .NET, not really good when I have a client which need to do some debugging of my products :)
There is in my opinion the major reasons why I still use VC++ 6.0, but the IDE itself is ugly (ie: no tabbing support). I usually bypass the IDE limitations by using codeblocks instead (CodeBlocks support CL.EXE/LINK.EXE for all VC++ versions)
Cobolfoo
Visual C++ 2008 is much more standards compliant (Visual Studio 6 doesn't support the C++ standard set in 1998).
VS2008 has better compiler (much more standards compliant, better optimizations, ...).
VS6 has much faster IDE. VS2008 IDE has many nice features, but it is a low slower than VS6.
Quick list of improvements you'll see going from 6.0 to 2008:
Many bug fixes
Better conformance to the C++ standard
Better compiler optimization
Improved UI (better intellisense, etc)
One thing that people sometimes forget is that VS 6.0 is over 10 years old now! At this point, I don't see how anyone would want to stick with it.
one tough thing we encountered was that "value" became a keyword.
Visual C++ 6 can be very buggy at times compared to 2008. Some things in particular:
Poor template support/oddities (for instance sometemplate<othertemplate<t>> not working, but sometemplate< othertemplate<t> > working)
Not standards compliant
Resource editor is rubbish ("blue lines" seem to move around randomly, among other things)
Only supports editing certain kinds of 8-bit bitmaps (I have to use imagemagick to convert bitmaps saved in paint.net to be able to be seen in picture resources)
Terrible support for working with read-only files / quirky sourcesafe integration.
Sometimes developing in VS6 feels like trying to get websites looking good in internet explorer 5.5